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How socially conservative are China and Vietnam, and how can they realistically become more progressive? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The difference being, If I was assigned “male” at birth and society categorized me as “boy/man” and treats me as boy/man but I don’t “feel” boy/man and would like to be treated as girl/woman, what will that society do?

Transition, I guess. The Vietnamese society generally do not discriminate against transgenders. I'm not sure about Western societies. But I live in Vietnam, so it is the scope that I care about.

We can accept transgender because we know that, after having transitioned, they cannot fake their feeling and gender identity to sexually harass people of different sex.

The subject I was talking about was not specifically transgender, but the "72 genders". I generally accept that a man can transition into a woman and vice versa, but that still 2. If we add intersex people and people who are unfortunately lack features of either sex, that would be 4. But this number 4 refers to biological sex, it doesn't match 72 genders.

that’s not being uncomfortable with “fickleness” that’s drifting into bigotry territory.

The "fickleness" refers to [“I feel like a woman” today but next week telling you “I feel like a man”]. I don't think my society will ever accept that a person can identify as different genders in different time of days, even if we accept transgender.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We can accept transgender because we know that, after having transitioned, they cannot fake their feeling and gender identity to sexually harass people of different sex.

I also want to push back against this because the data in pretty much every country in the world will prove that the men who want to sexually harass anyone do not go through a charade of cartoonish proportions just to be able to do it- they just do it. A man will not think about disguises so ingenious and clever that no one would be able to tell he's not a man just so he can go into the women's bathroom- he just goes into the women's bathroom. I don't know where this notion comes from but it's incorrect and, like many things, likely just plays to cisgender heterosexual insecurities.