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Thank goodness it wasn't the same scale as that event, but at least the FBI attempted to negotiate and staved off a full offensive until 51 days had passed. If the Philadelphia police had shown that kind of respect and restraint then things might have ended a lot differently for the MOVE members.
And yet the Waco siege is still a rallying cry for anti-government groups accusing the FBI and DEA of unjust, violent overreaction, while the MOVE bombing is not. Huh, I wonder what the difference is? /s
Could unironically be the difference in body count.
let's not kid ourselves, it's not the body count, it's the same reason they don't cite Tulsa nor Blair Mountain
they don't you say? so none of them involved Government force, and not for the better?
but let's be honest, Tulsa just had mainly black victims and was supported by the government (this is fine)
Blair Mountain just had mainly socialists as victims and was supported by the government (this is also fine)
but Waco, those were upstanding whites who refused the tyrannical mandate of the government (real victims)
because this has nothing to do with concentration camps, and everything to do with the American government and government related massacres in America?
I mean, if you want to bring concentration camps into this, we can start talking about why a majority of the American prison population is black and are used as life long slave labor.
oh ya, i forgot, for some reason we keep adding new groups to "white" to keep a majority in anything
no, but for a long time Irish, Italians, Germans etc... weren't white, until they needed to increase the size of "whites" because there weren't enough WASPS to outnumber POC
yup, "white" is a completely artificial concept that originated in America (as in the continent) as part of the slave trade justification.
not even the Nazis had this "white" concept, in fact European racism is not along the lines of skin color
That's a borderline insult, and you reported them for misinformation when what they're saying is how it really was.
I think the confusion is they're talking about what really happened, and you're acting like they're saying it was right.
"White" was expanded in America to include Irish and Italians.
As they lost the majority, they'd let in more groups to maintain the majority. No one is saying that made logical sense, and those lines are arbitrary.
But that is what happened.
https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754
I've reviewed the older messages and you've kept this going for over a week, never sourced anything, and have not been civil...
I'm not sure why you'd want a mod to look at that, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.
That's possible, but that doesn't explain the same feeling about the Ruby Ridge incident.