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Good thing we (the US) lost the war, or this lady would probably have her own team of lobbyists running their country.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 7 months ago (84 children)

The death penalty is always wrong.
Murder is not a punishment and once you've stripped her of her ill-got gains there is no longer any reason to kill her.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hear you but if I’m honest, and tomorrow America announced it was going to execute every billionaire, I’m not going to put up too much of a protest.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Take the money, sure. Then they're no longer billionaires and there's no need to kill them.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In other words, you don’t murder disarmed prisoners of war.

During class war they are the enemy and deserve what comes to them. If taken alive and their weapon of war removed, they don’t need to be dealt with the same way.

Once they are no longer a threat you can work on rehabilitation and restitution.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

First off, I agree with you.

But...second...I struggle with the rehabilitation bit. Some people cannot be rehabilitated. It is a hard truth I have learned, coupled with pain and regret, many times in my life. I'm just curious what you think the course of action should be at that point?

I'm not suggesting death/murder, but I do struggle with the idea that if they're miserable, and the people around them are made miserable, and the people trying to help them are made miserable...what do you do?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Some people cannot be rehabilitated.

You can't know that. You only have evidence for people's inability to've been rehabilitated so far.

I’m just curious what you think the course of action should be at that point?

Not murder.

if they’re miserable, and the people around them are made miserable, and the people trying to help them are made miserable…what do you do?

...drugs?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

You do everything you can for them (whilst making sure they're not a danger to other people), give the caretakers / wardens plenty of time off, and you give them the option for assisted suicide. In my ideal world, everyone would have the option for assisted suicide though

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