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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I am not here to give Israel a W, but Hamas still has a number of civilian captives from the original October 7 attack. Just not as many surviving as was assumed.

According to Israel's own figures, there are 90 or so living hostages and 30 or so bodies still held by Hamas IIRC. Apparently most of the 90 survivors are non-civilians, based on what Hamas is saying, but some of them still are.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

According to Israel’s own figures

Therein lies the problem.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I would say take it with a grain of salt, but there's enough international scrutiny that I would say the list of missing is probably reliable enough. People in Israel are still protesting the Israeli government about that very frequently. Not everyone missing from October 7th has been returned, alive or dead. Many probably buried beneath rubble from IDF attacks, to be honest, since several were already confirmed killed by "friendly" fire.

Edit: to add, it is worth noting that Hamas is not the only group that participated in Oct 7 and took hostages. There are likely other hostages that they cannot account for because they were taken by other groups.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

According to Israel’s own figures,

But not according to anyone else's...

Israel has been flattening the entire area, they can't keep track of how many they kill, regardless of what country they're from.

But the article OP linked even says there aren't 40 noncombatants left....

CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.

I'm not sure what you're not understanding about this.

Or why you're listening to Israel still

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

But the article OP linked even says there aren't 40 noncombatants left....

Right, I acknowledged that. It's just that no one knows who specifically is counted in the alive vs dead hostage statistics. It wouldn't surprise me if Israel purposefully set a number of civilians that they knew had likely already died, knowing that Hamas would not be able to comply with the request, to justify continuing the conflict.