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[–] [email protected] 56 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (18 children)

Without the support of Congress, it will be "difficult" for Ukraine to win, "even to stay," Zelenskyy said in a video meeting with fundraising supporters, including Mark Hamill and billionaire Richard Branson.

Nightmare blunt rotation

Anyway, wow! You mean every time Russia was said to be slowing down or taking unsustainable levels of casualties wasn't entirely true? Wow! surprised-pika

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I think the weakness of Ukraine is also narrative.

Whatever narrative they push, it’s completely unrelated to the truth.

When they wanted western sympathy and when the western funds were rolling, it was the plucky tractor brigade killing Russians at $1.40 a kill.

Now that they aren’t getting another aid package, the front lines are about to collapse and Russia will be in Warsaw by summer.

It’s all bullshit. As in it’s unrelated to the truth. The truth has no relationship to what Zelenskyy says.

The fact Ukraine is starting to push an imminent collapse narrative is a key factor in me believing collapse is not in fact imminent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (9 children)

You are right, you can't use only information Ukraine or Russia provides. But it probably is the case that Ukraine was stomping Russia for pennies on the dollar earlier in the war. However, Russia is not a static force. They learn and change their tactics, and Russia spends more resources now than they did earlier.

It would be a grave mistake to stop aid to Ukraine while they are still willing and able to fight.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

But it probably is the case that Ukraine was stomping Russia for pennies on the dollar earlier in the war.

When the aid was flowing the narrative was that this was a “good investment” which is why they sold you with this “pennies on the dollar” angle.

Put down the slava pipe and have a look at what the cost basis is for western military gear vs Russian stuff. It’s rarely better than 5:1 even for basic stuff like shells and advanced stuff runs at around 10:1. The idea that it was “pennies on the dollar” is crazy shit.

It’s all narrative. It doesn’t have a relationship to facts on the ground. It’s a sales pitch.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Pennies on the dollar" refers more to the fact that we have mostly sent old equipment that's already paid for and would otherwise never see the light of day, while also avoiding the use of any US/NATO manpower to massively undermine an adversary. It's a great deal, i.e. pennies on the dollar.

I guess it's edifer to just call everything a "narrative" though than try and understand current events.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a great deal if you're a monster who doesn't pay any mind to the broken Ukrainian bodies littering the trenches for the past few years. More conscripts for the meat grinder, it's cost-effective! Fucking ghouls, I swear.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago

And who's to blame here? Have you considered blaming the invading force, or does it have to be the west for your sensibilities? Everything would be great if we all just rolled over when invaders arrive at the gates!

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