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An Australian museum excluded men from an exhibit to highlight misogyny. A man sued for access and won.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/mkwF8

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

White (an invented and morphose social category predicated on anti-Blackness) people have never been oppressed for being white.

Imagine actually believing this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The concept of "white" as a race dates back to WW2, at most. Before then, being from France was as ethnically important a distinction as being from England, Spain, Germany, Ireland, or China. Due to the long history of conflict amongst European nations, there was no unified sense of race due to something as simple as skin color.

When the Irish immigrated to the US, they were considered equivalent to black people by Americans and competed for the same jobs.

The British, inspired by the American ethnic cleansings of the Native American tribes, attempted to ethnically cleanse the Irish from Ireland for their land. That's what the famine in Ireland actually was. There was a scarcity of potatoes, but otherwise there was plenty of food - so long as you were British. In fact, there's a statue of a Native American in northern Ireland commemorating the Native tribes' aid during the famine, because they recognized what the British were doing and were one of the few groups to send supplies to the Irish. Nobody else cared, because they were Irish, not (insert country here).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The concept of “white” as a race dates back to WW2, at most.

It goes back farther than that, but it is a social and legal category people have sued in attempt to be considered as.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Appreciate the correction, the first time I could think of as "white" being a unified thing was the white supremacists of the "Aryan master race" era.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The concept of “white” as a race dates back to WW2, at most.

Wow I'll make sure to tell all my black friends, I'm sure that'll endear me to them.

When the Irish immigrated to the US, they were considered equivalent to black people by Americans and competed for the same jobs.

Well, this is just completely false, you're completely disconnected from reality. Irish were never blocked from whites-only schools were they? Irish people were never subject to interracial marriage laws afaik. Were any Irish ever entirely excluded from being able to immigrate to the U.S.? I know it's popular among certain groups to pretend certain Europeans faced the same disadvantages as formerly enslaved African-Americans but frankly it's incredibly insulting and tone deaf as fuck.

Theory is fine you guys but you need to actually go out into the world and interact with people sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I am...unclear on what you're actually arguing about. You went from arguing that white people are oppressed for being white and/or that white as a unified race wasn't the invention of racism to separate the white European ethnicities from black people, to straw-manning me to argue that white people were never oppressed the same way black people have been (and continue to be).

Both me and the OP are saying that the idea of a single "white" race was the invention of racists. To separate white Europeans from other people. Before the white supremacists coined the term white as a race, your race was French, Swedish, Irish, British, Russian, etc. White is just a label to lump all these Europeans from disparate cultural backgrounds who hated each other's guts together to form a unified front against "the savage black man" and "the Asian menace."

And nobody has ever been oppressed for being white. When was the last time you heard of somebody being passed over for a job because they were too white, or the cops going around arresting all the white people off the streets. White people probably suffer the same treatment as other foreigners in xenophobic countries, but they're not singled out for being white.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not arguing anything, just pointing out some bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

What bullshit? Do you think that white people are oppressed? Or that the idea of white as a race wasn't the product of a bunch of racists who wanted to prove the superiority of white people over black people?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

my black friends

I was wondering when—not if—you were going to pull "I have Black friends".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Cool thought-terminating cliche too bad you didn't actually address anything I said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Like your mom when we run a train on her?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Imagine actually believing this.

I don't have to; I know from personal experience what it's like to be right and correct. I recommend you abandon you current beliefs and try not being wrong yourself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't have to; I know from personal experience what it's like to be right and correct. I recommend you abandon you current beliefs and try not being wrong yourself.

Maybe one day you'll wake up and realize that you don't know everything and are not always "right and correct." One day maybe you'll realize that others have lived experiences that are different than yours, but maybe not and you'll just float through life thinking your experience and your views are The Truth.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Maybe one day you'll wake up and realize that you don't know everything and are not always "right and correct."

Possible, but irrelevant to this situation wherein I am right, cool, and correct.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you know where the term "slave" comes from?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You aren't making the point you think you're making, and further from having seen your post history I know you aren't arguing in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Are the slavic people not white? What point do you think I'm making?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Slavic slaves in the Roman empire predate the social construct of whiteness. Implying they were oppressed because they were white is one of the stupider things I've read on the Internet today.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Okay, modern day. Look at the DEI initiatives. Literally just systemic racism against white people (and Asian people, but thats not what this argument is about), thats why they keep getting slapped down in court, and now having laws directly passed against even teaching them because they are so racist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dei is not remotely racist unless you believe the idiotic shit from fox News and newsmax

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Treating people differently based on the color of their skin is textbook racism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Look at the DEI initiatives.

Lol. Girl, hush.

Next tell us how libraries are "woke".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Libraries aren't woke. What are you even talking about?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Aww, you were on a roll.

You had "DEI", "reverse racism"... a couple more punches and you could have got "shithead bingo". I understand it comes with free breadsticks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

There isn't a point in talking to you, is there?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Are the slavic people not white?

Did the people oppressing Slavs consider them white and were they oppressed for being white?