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Russia invades a neighbour who dares to attempt to have stronger ties to the west.
West supplies neighbour with weapons to defend itself.
Tankies on Lemmy: "oh no, Russia is being oppressed"
I hope we can keep supporting Ukraine. This is one of the few times in history when the scenario is so clear cut good vs evil. The Ukrainians fought hard to get out from under the thumb of Russia and the Russians just couldn’t have that so they invaded. The support the world provides to Ukraine is support provided for all Democracies.
Democracy is when you ban all left-leaning parties in your country and burn a hall full of trade unionists alive, and the more parties you ban and trade unionists you burn alive the more democratic you are. I don't see what's so hard for these tankies to get!!
What?
Euromaiden!?!??? Like a major defining moment in Ukrainian history!
The one where NATO backed coup overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine? That seems like the opposite of fighting to get out from under foreign thumb
The one that happened because their leader was passing laws making him a dictator and violently putting down protesters leading to more protests causing him to flee. Also any support came after that was over, not before.
See, if he were a legitimate leader he would have let the west supplant him in a violent coup WITHOUT reacting to it. That makes it justified post hoc.
You have to let the nazis march. It's the rules.
So people in their country should never fight if their leader is working to surpress their rights and become a dictator. They just have to wait for elections that will never be fair again if they even happen. Also he did react to it by fleeing, Putin is not the leader of Ukraine, he has no business reacting to anything.
Putin did march his nazies into Ukraine after that if that's what you mean.
Were you at the January 6th riots, per chance? Your sure have the same reasoning as them.
Not in the US as I never been there. Also was Biden becoming the dictator of the US? Like if he was declaring protests illegal, giving cops legal rights to kill anyone who does protest and basically make himself the supreme ruler of the US then yea it would be justified.
The January 6 protesters certainly believed he was becoming a dictator. I guess the riots were justified.
Thinking something is true =/= true
Indeed, you should think about that fact yourself.
So are you saying protests are always unjustified because protestors could be wrong?
No
OK then I'm going to stay with my point that the laws passed that triggered the Euromaidan were very protestable and January 6th in the US was a bunch of crazies that fell for propaganda due to poor US education. Also that protests are a good way to get rid of a wannabe dictator.
Yes, I'm aware that the liberal position is that couping democratic governments is acceptable if they personally agree with it, but unacceptable when other people do it.
This is my last reply since I would need to flip my phone to hit the button and that's way too much effort but this seems to have run it's course anyways.
I'm pretty sure the liberal position would be that all violent protests are bad, no matter what. That's why I was asking if that was your position so I could see if you were the rare lib that supports Russia's war.
Also I don't think a coup is when people drive a wannabe dictator out if their country though English isn't my first language. And even if it is I absolutely support people exercising their right to protest and remove a leader trying to dismantle a democracy. I'm not sure what mental gymnastics you are trying to do to equate that to Jan 6th in the US but it makes you sound like a lib.
Good lord, this is the most "I'm totally not mad" sentence I've ever seen.
It's not, liberals are fine with violent protests when it's against their enemies.
Yes, that absolutely is a coup.
So you support the January 6th riots
Yeah, clearcut good is when a government starts building monuments to Holocaust perpetrators, and banning minority languages including Yiddish, followed by a decade of bombing ethnic minorities in a border region.