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[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Calling for violence against anyone should be illegal imo. But yes that includes things like telling people to punch nazis.

Otherwise if they actually do convince people you're a groomer they'll think it's ok to punch you too. "Group x is an exception" or "subject matter y isn't protected" is the problem, not disallowing certain rhethorics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Hey look, it's a cishet white guy who thinks his opinion on hate speech is relevant!

Punching Nazis will always be necessary and based, no matter what a spineless centrist on the internet has to say about it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

U got the white part correct, congrats.

And no, I just have principles. And well, the intelligence to realize that it's not the greatest wau forward. Would still press a magic button that instantly kills all nazis, but that doesn't exist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

If your principles are that nazis should be allowed to exist peacefully and spew their hate wherever they want, your principles are shit and you should get some new ones, like actually giving a shit about your minority friends who nazis are actively trying to kill

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Way to miss the point entirely.

Oh well no point trying to talk to someone not even trying to think about things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

My point is that my safety is more important than your right to call me slurs and call for my death. Your point is shit and irrelevant because you think fascists need to be protected and supported rather than fought against. Have a shit day :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And my point is that allowing calls for violence potentially compromises safety of any marginalized group as it removea hurdles when the wrong people get into power, and punching nazis is just going to radicalize them more anyway, so that's also not gonna help.

But, yknow, imagine thinking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

And again, your point is shit :) why do you feel the need to stretch so fucking far to explain how restricting hate speech and fighting nazis is actually bad? (rhetorical question)

BTW you're blatantly lying about the punching nazis bit, we punched the fuck out of them during the trump administration and as you know there were a lot fewer nazis going out and demonstrating near the end of that administration. Many of them specifically said they're too afraid of physical violence to continue spewing their hate on the street. But again, you know that, and that's exactly why you're against it. Go to hell nazi trash, maybe try a little harder next time if you're trying to convince people to oppose civil rights (or just unalive, that'd be best for everyone 🌸)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
  1. Spewing their hate on the street is different from just being a nazi
  2. yes obviously it'll stop them from doing that but it won't stop them from harboring their ideology. A large reason ppl end up in extremist circles is feeling like they don't fit into society, what's gonna happen when you continue isolating them?

You're also making an awful lot of assumptions about me, given that i went to demos against a far right party here before lmao

Btw, how the fuck would i know if ppl got violent against hateful shitheads in some other country and especially what the shitheads' reaction was (even if it's fairly obvious)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

"i went to demos against a far right party" as a counterprotestor I'm sure. For someone who halfheartedly claims to be against the far right you sure do write a lot of paragraphs defending their right to call for my death

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

So you're from a country that isn't full of nazis. That means you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. Punching nazis works, this is a fact, one you're either fully aware of and that's why you're against it, or one that you know nothing about bc you have no idea how to deal with nazis. Americans are pros at dealing with fascists, you should stay in your lane and quit putting your heart and soul into defending the evil fuckers 💖

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm from the country that spawned nazis lol, pretty sure if you're going that route you're the unqualified one for not being german.

Violence works great for keeping people out of political discourse (part of how the nsdap rose to power), it doesn't work to have them consider changing their minds.