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Baltic leaders urge Nato members to bring back conscription (www.ft.com)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It is causation, "my kid isn't in the army so what do I care" vs "my kid is reaching the draft age so I don't want a war". Nothing accelerationist about that

Proof?

Not a proof but I think it's not a coincidence Azov and the like are always voluntary units.

Didn’t US army have conscription until the end of the Vietnam War?

Yes they did: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/vietnam-war/anti-war-resistance-vietnam-war.html Now find similar stories from Iraq war, I'll wait.

What’s the point? Are they going to selectively conscript all the communists?

No, they will draft everyone so entire society will have combat training. It is better for popular uprisings, that much is irrefutable. Right now only nazis are preparing for armed conflict and you'll never convince regular people to waste time and resources to join militias and train.

You do not need conscription for that

You need conscription for that: https://socialistworker.co.uk/features/how-troops-refused-orders-and-joined-the-russian-revolution/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

“my kid is reaching the draft age so I don’t want a war”...

Did it help people in Ukraine?

Not a proof but I think it’s not a coincidence Azov and the like are always voluntary units.

The original Nazis weren't. And they were also not known for their kind treatment of the POWs and the locals in general, you know. Also - your point was that "conscripts are less likely to commit war crimes". Do I need to remind you what the US soldiers did to Korea? To the Vietnamese? Hey, here's a good example - the "Israelis". They are draftees too, remember?

No, they will draft everyone so entire society will have combat training.

Oh, god, the naivete... Yes, they will draft Elon Musk and his children, I am sure of it. Along with Billy Gates and Jeff Bezos. What are you smoking? I'll ask again - how is that going to help? Do you really think conscription makes good soldiers - professional, motivated, experienced? No it doesn't. It makes cannon fodder.

You need conscription for that: https://socialistworker.co.uk/features/how-troops-refused-orders-and-joined-the-russian-revolution/

No you don't. You need the material conditions deteriorating so badly that people will be forced to go against the state. The war helped, but it wasn't the primary factor. The soldiers were extremely unmotivated in the first place.

Again, one word for you: Ukraine.