THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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RULES
① Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.
② If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
④ Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.
Please also abide by the instance rules.
It you've been banned but don't know why, check the moderator's log. If you feel you didn't deserve it, hey, I'm new at this and maybe you're right. Send a cordial PM, for a second chance.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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You didn’t watch the video then?
The video of someone being shot in the back?
The cop literally said “drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun or I’ll shoot you.”
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
It's sad how you think anybody who even appears to pose a threat to a police officer is forfeiting their life by not immediately dropping flat on the ground with their hands above their heads.
The kid dropped his gun, you can see and hear it, it landed in the driveway on the lower left of the screen.
The officer had NO REASON to fire at that point, when the kid had his back turned and was clearly just trying to make it out of there alive. Fight or flight response meant he definitely wasn't thinking clearly but he was also in no way a threat to anybody.
What do you think would happen to a civilian in a Stand Your Ground state did this ?
If someone with a gun broke into their home, and the home owner chased them out of the house, pursued them, and then shot them in the back without an immediate threat to their life, they would most certainly be charged with murder.
It's sad how people like you think people "behaving like this" deserve to die.
Removed, rule 2:
② If you’re here to support the police, you’re trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
It's too late. The snowball effect has taken hold.
Tribalism wins over all on these forums. Everyone is just trying to fit in, lol.
Glad that adults in the real world trump children on the internet. This place is a containment zone more than anything else.
I'm going to start replying to every comment that says "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" with this: kill yourself
Removed, rule 3:
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They’re about killing people; we’re not.
“I thought you were going to try and pull that gun on me,” Coleman said.
But it's not like he has a history of this shit, oh wait
"Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers."
People underestimate the number of active serial killers there are because so many of them wear badges and their murders are never prosecuted.
Similarly people also underestimate the number of people who commit domestic violence against their partners, the numbers are obviously difficult to get a real handle on (you are asking people to reveal things they might not want to reveal, even if they are the victim) but the number is probably somewhere around 30% of cops commit domestic abuse on their spouses and family.
"play stupid games win stupid prizes" isn't a philosophical basis for a justice system. Even Hammurabi moved us beyond that shit. Your worldview is meme based. It's pretty sad.
What do you think he was going to use that gun for?
What do you think rightwing chuds that demand to bring assault rifles into ice cream shops are going to use their 30 round 5.56mm ar-15 with 90 rounds of ammunition for?
If rightwing libertarian free speech warriors had even the tiniest scrap of integrity to their beliefs they would clearly be livid with anger about a random person possessing a firearm being deemed a lethal threat by the unelected government officials and then arbitrarily executed on the spot.
You would think these brave defenders of American culture would immediately recognize the problem with making it ok for an unelected government official to shoot someone else on sight for possessing a firearm, and face almost zero percent chance of consequences for being wildly incompetent and racist?
Of course, this is about who rightwing culture teaches you to be afraid of and who rightwing culture absolves of all responsibility for threatening and committing lethal violence in our communities.
Sorry, I didn't read all that. It started off as drivel and I can only assume it continued as such.
I hope you got it out of your system, though. Good for the tribe!
I mean this is America, that gun could be used for literally anything and someone would say "hey you too? I always use my gun to fix squeaky door hinges!"