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Trump's plan to end the Ukraine war is to totally cut off funding, says Putin's closest EU ally
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this post was submitted on 12 Mar 2024
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Good job entirely (and, I think, intentionally) misinterpreting the whole fuckin’ context of the situation.
Check out what community they moderate, it's very telling.
I just miss the era when the vast majority of Americans were on the same page regarding potentially dangerous geopolitical crap. Politics used to end at the water’s edge for the most part, but not anymore.
Everyone now just chooses a "side" and blindly defends it, no matter how wrong it is. There is zero room for nuance. It's exhausting to talk to people like Wintermute who will ignore all evidence that is contrary to their opinions and will resort to bad faith arguments every single time. And then blindly accuse othet people of doing the same when called out.
Politics have gone to hell and we're all worse off for it.
Don't you fucking "both sides" this shit. The GOP has gone to hell, Democrats are scrabbling for a handhold so we don't all get dragged down with em.
I'm not blaming both sides here. I'm pointing out Wintermute's behaviour, which is blindly defending their side despite all evidence that they're wrong. I'm very, VERY well aware of how fucked the Republicans are and I'm not pretending the Democrats are remotely the same. My point is, an entire portion of the populace (that being the right wing) has shut themselves off to reality and nothing will change their mind.
My point is name and shame the Republicans, don't use a euphemism line "an entire portion of the populace" because that enables the both sides bullshit
Fair enough. I'll remember that.
Thank you. Sorry if I was too combative. I do that sometimes.
No worries! If you were talking to an actual "Both sides" idiot then I'd say it's warranted lol.
Be more clear in your point. I get you don't like Trump but what he said was true.
Now everyone is scurrying because he was right.
Hate the man as much as you want but at the end of the day, he was right.
You fight a war with the Army you have, not the one you can build in the next five years. Europe has not taken their defense seriously, and it isn't our job to spend our money to defend Europe. It is our job to help in their defense.
Putin was a wakeup call to Europe and hopefully they leaned you always need to be prepared for war.
Ok, sure, let’s play your game.
Let’s say Trump gets in, and the US fucks off from NATO. What then?
Outline the ramifications for me. I have a pretty concrete idea of what the fallout would be, but I want you to tell me what you think would happen, in your own words.
Easy Trump says we are leaving NATO then he finds out he can't. So the united states stays in NATO. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/16/congress-nato-exit-trump/
I get Trump is the baba yaga to most people but congress was smart enough to cover their bases.
You didn’t answer the question I posed.
You unilaterally disregarded one of the two core points I specified in the antecedent, and then pretended it was the same question. It’s not. You fundamentally altered the question by doing that.
I did. I even cited it. Trump can't do what you are describing. It would be overruled.
Bad faith argument. Gotcha.
I’m not playing this game with you. Welcome to my block list.