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“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

Post got removed in .world for not being a "news source" even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist, so trying again here I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I have my reservations about the klippenstein's, but if he has the manifesto, why not post a scanned copy?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

Interesting read. However this turns out, not a huge fan of .world removing it, similar to the centralized sites you'd expect to suppress stuff. Stopped following their news thread for this reason as I don't need my information moderated- can do that myself.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just exactly how is this a "manifesto?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

a written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives, or views of its issuer

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They are framing him in the same camp as uncle Ted.

The issue I don't think they realized that people might take it "the wrong" way haha

If this is really his letter, which I assuming it is since it is too level headed and direct, this can't be good look for parasite class.

Mark my word the term "parasite" will modded going forward as a hate speech. I just feel the censorship and bans on all main stream socials with corporate advertisers at least.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

I appreciate you posting this here. I had not read a manifesto yet that sounded like it was legitimately his. This one seems internally consistent at least, as if it was written by a real person. Can never be sure.

In this one, it seems there's nothing for me to dislike, which makes me believe it was written by a real person, but even more cautious about believing it. I had, until now, only heard negative (from my pov) things about him. It is unusual for something like this to leak. The media tries it's best to keep the lid on contagious ideas. (Another reason to be incredulous)

I expect the media will try to give both sides something to dislike about him, to discourage idolatry and imitation. Feels like some 1984/Brave New World style social engineering to me.

[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 week ago (17 children)

This sounds like a written confession or statement to the police, after he's already in police custody. Not a "manifesto", which is something justifying your actions to the public and done before carrying out whatever it is.

I'm not buying any of this. Someone who went to so much trouble planning, executing, and getting away without a trace, isn't going to go out in public with a bunch of incriminating items on their person. The NYPD probably just picked this tip out of the thousands they got, and are making things fit after the fact.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I had a similar vibe but can't quite put my finger on it though.

To the Feds,

This intro just does not feel right, He sounds like fedi/reddit poster with that intro. I have not seen a lot of his social media post but he did not have that tone in his posts, at least not public ones.

There people around fedi who I can see saying it though lol. As if he feds, searched online on how to sound like a plausible corpo hater. "parasite" is also a nice touch, I see that shit daily on here...

Also, why the fuck would this man give two fucks to discuss the tool for the job. I was on the fence but I am not longer buying it is his work or if he even did it.

In country with 330m people, there must have reviewed many fact patterns that could have fit like glove purely from mathematically probably. His disappearing is likely made him an easy target, now it is on him to account for his where abouts.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I don't know why it's so hard to believe. Of course the weight of US law enforcement was focused on one murder because it was a CEO. He didn't get away without a trace, pictures of his face were everywhere. His path was traced from Atlanta to Pennsylvania. Why is it so hard to believe that he had incriminating evidence on him? For all we know, he might be on his way to whack another CEO. Wasn't his last known address in Hawaii? He might have just been passing through Pennsylvania and had all his travel stuff with him. Once he realized the manhunt was closing in, he might have felt the need to write the justification with the hopes that the average American would read it and see him as a hero.

We still know so little about this whole situation. There's just no reason to jump to conspiracy.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There does seem to be inconsistency between the shooter meticulously planning things out and then this guy conveniently popping up at a McDonalds with all the gear and confessing. Seems like the first thing you'd do would be to ditch the gun and the silencer. If the gun was 3d printed, he could've literally just melted it down. On the flip side, if he wanted to get caught then he didn't have to do all this complex planning and could've just stayed at the scene and surrendered.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yep, the cops and US news are trying to get everyone to ignore all these glaring inconstencies.

They fucked up, let the guy slip through their fingers, and now are trying to do damage control.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Exactly, it's a high profile case and it makes the ruling class uncomfortable if it goes unsolved.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Very much agree on the fact this is no way a manifesto and shame on all the news outlets using such a clickbaity word.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.

Interesting to point this out. This seems more like a liberal radicalized out of circumstance than a Marxist or Anarchist. I wonder what his course would have looked like had he channeled his energy into organizing and reading theory, would he have made the same decisions, or not?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know… as common as it is to label and group and classify people online, I just don’t think that generally works the vast majority of the time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Usually people acting for ideological reasons have ideological motivations.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah based on his goodreads and other social media he's definitely more of US style Libertarian or conservative. He tweeted some stuff about wokeness and DEI, some of the new athiesm junk about how athiests replace Christianity with worship of social issues, and seemed to like Elon Musk. He also didn't seem to be fully committed to the ideology though, he had real criticisms of Jordan Peterson and he seemed to be an environmentalist. He honestly just kinda seems like a normal, if privileged, person. He has a mix of political ideas, some which don't necessarily mesh, and is willing to criticize some of the people he agrees with.

But if anything him being someone who seemed to like CEOs, who grew up pretty wealthy, being radicalized by the industry is kinda a stronger message about how unless you're one of the corporate elite you don't matter to them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Very few people fit neatly into a political label. We tend to be all over the place on political issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spoken like an OG D&D player 🤌🏼

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Funnily enough my only exposure to D&D was from Baldurs Gate 3. I'll take it as a compliment though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes and no. Among leftists, most do fit into fairly neat labels, because leftist ideology is that of consistent frameworks. Among liberals, there doesn't need to be as much consistency because its the status quo and doesn't need to be consistent ideologically.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not many people are pure leftists though. We all have our inherent biases based on things like social class, upbringing, religion, nationality, etc. Just because a consistent framework is there doesn't mean people just fit so well into it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The frameworks are consistent and have "correct" conclusions, which means over time individual biases erode into established tendencies.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

That’s the funny thing about leftism being objectively logically and ethically correct. The framework of theory also consistently addresses those exact points and material conditions.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I think it's also the fact that there tends to be a ton of specific labels for different leftist subgroups too, stuff like anarcho-mutualism is similar but not the same as syndicalism, or blanket libertarian socialism, etc. That and the fact that most people will self identify as one of the moderate labels like conservative or centrist or liberal, and do so in spite of their beliefs, not because of them. People who reflect enough on their ideas and desired policies will tend to be a bit more consistent about them and the labels they use to describe them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Definitely yeah, stuff like the political compass have been awful for nuance in discussions.

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