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Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we're primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don't consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don't review each individual report or moderator action unless they're specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn't allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins' criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Netherlands, Finland and Germany are OK with me. As long as the MAGATs, Russia and China have nothing to do with Lemmy, I will carry on.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why not have lemmy.usa where americans can freely discuss the american solution to every american problem aka guns?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If people want a US based-instance

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been here a year and still don't get it. Do i have to make a new account to comment or post on .today? If so, that's probably not happening. Why's it have to be so segmented so long as something isn't blocked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

I am writing here with a feddit.org account, so that's definitely possible.

The question is what do you want to achieve? People interested in moving instances don't want to be submitted to the LW rules for their accounts, but probably want to also move to communities others than the LW ones as well.

Posting to a Lemmy.today community from your LW account would still submit you to the LW rules

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Jury nullification should not be a banned topic. It's perfectly legal and is the only direct way citizens can object to interpretations of the law. The very fact that the courts and government don't want people to know of it is a testament to its effectiveness in cases where the public will opposes the government in matters of law. Particularly when public opinion differs drastically from a strict interpretation of the law, but most especially when citizens find a law, its often limited proponents, or its execution to be objectionable, unconscionable, cruel, or unwilling to take circumstances into consideration. It's crucial for us to all understand our limited power over the government, especially when it's acting in an oppressive manner, violating human rights, ignoring the principle of justice in favor of a literal interpretation, or is otherwise objectionable by the majority of citizens as opposed to the minority of lawmakers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Wasn't jury nullification historically used to sanction hate crimes against minorities? I agree that it shouldn't be a banned topic, but I also understand how it could be a call to violence in certain contexts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If you want a US based-instance

If you want a non US instance

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

While I agree that the murder of the CEO can be morally justified in certain aspects, we have to face the facts. Murder is murder, and I believe glorification of it is wrong. Wouldn’t the killing of a CEO just lead to the appointment of another, making the whole thing pointless? It’s possible that a new CEO will do things differently, but they’d probably do more or less the same. In the end, all the murder achieves is CEOs fearing for their safety and eventually hiring bodyguards, making them even more disconnected from society, and even less likely to donate to charity or the poor. For these reasons, I think lemmy.world is doing the right thing, I don’t think that murder of anyone not convicted of war crimes should be glorified, I’d prefer to stay neutral on such topics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

It might change gun control in the USA too.

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