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I am a long term GrapheneOS user and would like to talk about it. r/privacy on the redditland blocks custom OS discussions which I think is very bad for user privacy, and I hope this post will be useful to anyone who are in the hunt for better privacy.

Nowadays smartphones are a much bigger threats to our privacy and Desktop systems, and unfortunately manufacturers has designed them to be locked down devices with no user freedom. You can't just "install Linux" on most smartphones and it is horrible. And most preloaded systems spy on us like crazy. That was why I specifically bought a pixel and loaded GOS onto it.

According to https://grapheneos.org/features , they start from base AOSP's latest version, imptoves upon it's security and significantly hardens it. There's hardened_malloc to.prevent against exploitation, disabling lots of debugging features, disabling USB-c data, hardening the Linux kernel and system apps etc. They even block accessing the hardware identifiers of the phone so that apps cannot detect whqt phone you're using. That means with Tor and zero permissions given, apps are anonymous.

Compatibility with apps are best in Custom ROMs but there are still that can't work, especially if they enforce device integrity. Very few apps usually enforce that tho. Also their community isn't the friendliest but you can get help. Just don't try and engage too much or have too many debates.

Anyone else here use GrapheneOS, or any other privacy ROMs? What is your experience? Do you disagree on any point? Let's have a discussion!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Last 4 or so phones have all been GrapheneOS (I'm not buying new phones all the time to be clear; I use phones till they break; I'm just a long-time user) and yeah I've really had no problems to speak of. I currently have a separate profile with Play services for certain apps, and also just to isolate non-privacy-respecting apps that I have to have installed for whatever reason.

Almost all the apps I use are FOSS apps who are aware that a significant amount of their userbase will be using various AOSP forks so I've not run into any app compatibility issues. Even back when I used banking apps, I'd used 4 different banks' apps on GrapheneOS and all of them worked completely fine. Now I don't have a banking app because I won't install proprietary software unless I actually have to for some reason, and I can bank on the web just fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Personally for me the most important thing in Android is automatic native call recording. If GrapheneOS gets that, I will consider buying a Google Pixel device.

Also, banking and other apps should stop using Play Integrity API.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's okay if they use the Play Integrity API, they just need to also whitelist the keys that sign the official Graphene OS ROMs. Not that I expect they'll do that, mind you...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Ive used it for around a year and a half and never had any issues. My banking app stopped working after about 8 months but I just log in via a browser and it hasn't effected my life at all.

For anyone considering the move here is a list of bank apps and their current working status as I know that is a big consideration people worry over.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

I'm on it for a few weeks on my new Pixel 7 a. Looks painless, though I haven't migrated fully yet. Lineage OS on my old phone and tablet. Waiting for Pixel tablet sale to run GrapheneOS there too.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 weeks ago (13 children)

I post someone's comment on a controversial topic about google and GOS. I saved it because that's exactly how I feel.


Step 1 of installing GrapheneOS for de-googling your life: Buy a Google Pixel phone

Look - I know, I know. I get it. Google allows you to unlock the bootloader while maintaining the phone's unique and excellent hardware security features. The argument makes sense. It is compelling. Other manufacturers do not give you this freedom. I am not arguing about that. I have a Pixel phone running GrapheneOS myself.

However... It is just so very obviously ironic that one needs to trust Google's hardware and purchase a Google product to de-google their life through GrapheneOS. I think that it is a perfectly valid position for someone to raise their eyebrows, laugh, and remain skeptical of the concept either because they do not want to support Google at all, or because they simply will not trust Google's hardware.

The reason why I think that this is "controversial" is because I have seen multiple instances of someone pointing out the irony, followed by someone getting defensive about it and making use of the technical security arguments in an attempt to patch up the irony.

https://mander.xyz/comment/15084264

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think buying a Pixel phone second hand solves this issue and reduces a little e-waste at the same time.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 weeks ago

If your objective is to punish Google, or to have nothing to do with Google. I completely agree with you using a pixel phone just doesn't make any sense. You shouldn't do it

If your objective is to have the most security possible... Then you should install graphene on a Pixel phone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

This is exactly why I don't have graphene os, the irony of having to support google is too much for me call me paranoid but i also dont trust them with the hardware piece either lol. I've been running lineage os without gapps and its honestly great, updates and patches are every few weeks, super stable and awesome.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't have any answer for the point where you would not trust Google even for the hardware (even though I don't think there is any risk on the current devices)

But concerning the "don't want to support Google" an easier answer is to buy a second-hand Pixel

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

The point of not trusting Google hardware is that there is no way to know what hidden function is in there. De-lidding and reversing isn't practical at current integration density. So, no, I don't trust the hardware to not contain remoteable backdoors. But it's a pretty high threat level.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

It's great, but it drains my battery like hell, (with three profiles: default, google-ser-ices and owner... don't know if that's still recommended)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I've been using it for many months and I like it a lot. Only one of my banking apps doesn't work.

Currently my main issue is that webauthn stopped working after an update. And the community support hasn't been helpful.

I wish they had better documentation in general.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been using it for a few months. Very happy with it. Minimalistic initial setup, gives you the feeling of control as well as privacy, bank apps work splendidly... an effortless transition, I say as somebody who previously used iPhone but wasn't tied into the ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

Cool! How would you compare it to iOS experience?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

I was a long time lineageOS user and love the freedom of changing anything. I switched to grapheneOS and like it, but miss some features, that are just pointless and not relatable: no full AMOLED dark mode - the devs said the battery savings between dark and pure dark isn't relevant. and the other thing is: why is the white bar on the bottom not removable?

Because of these things I switched back to lineageOS and realised how dumb it is because of two optical features. GOS is definitely worth to look over two missing features and I switched back to GOS.

Anyway the most interesting transition from an lineage user to an grapheneOS user is, you realise that root isn't useful and more risk than fun.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep. Been using it for about 2 years now. So far no issues except amazon prime but they gave me adds sufficiently annoying that i finally got around to setting up jellyfin. Been able to solve pretty much all my issues with dr gpt.

Every time i see someone posting about a new mobile phone exploit i get immense joy scrolling down through comments and finding someone posting the fact that graphene patched it 3 years ago and recommended a patch to google who have yet to implement it into base android.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

Cellebrite and the new Grayjack or something both has zero ways to crack a GOS phone 🔥

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm buying a Pixel, I'll try it soon. But for now I like LineageOS+MicroG very much.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

MicroG doesn't have as much compatibility as Sandboxed Pkay. Also I think LineageOS is not as patched and kept up to date, maybe try DivestOS or CalyxOS (both forks of Lineage)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

I am waiting for the LineageOS port for my SM-A536B.

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