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'Cooker, anti-vaxxer, sheep': The people Australia's COVID-19 response forgot (www.abc.net.au)
submitted 8 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Interesting and rather tragic.

The part about supressing the cause of death was especially gutwrenching. Silencing hurt people out of fear of encouraging nutters is a horrible thing to do.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

The sad part is that reactions to vaccines are vanishingly rare but real. I’m wondering if this lady’s immune system had an unusually strong response and left her with some kind of autoimmune disease as a result. Fibromyalgia can be triggered after being sick with a virus and has been confirmed to be autoimmune.

But it is much better for vaccines to be mandatory to keep herd immunity for those that can’t have them and keep smallpox or polio from coming back. On the balance you just can’t afford to have it be optional.

Ironically the symptoms she’s describing sound like long covid which also gets ignored and denied support. It makes me wonder if her body did massively overreact to even the attenuated virus

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

None of the major vaccines for COVID are an attenuated virus to be clear, although some vaccines are made like that (usually older ones).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Ah that’s right! I had a brain fart and for some reason was thinking of traditional vaccines. Are the major vaccines the RNA ones where it’s just the protein? I’ve forgotten.

I wonder if the types affect the chance of a reaction for some people or in general

[–] [email protected] 2 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago) (1 children)

Are the major vaccines the RNA ones where it’s just the protein?

  • Moderna and Pfizer are mRNA.
  • Novavax is protein subunit.
  • AstraZeneca is viral vector (not an attenuated SARS-CoV-2, a completely different virus).
[–] [email protected] 1 points 25 minutes ago

Thanks, that’s good info

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Ridiculous. All vaccines can have side effects, of course there were going to be people who had adverse responses to the COVID vaccines. Disbelieving people about this is an absolute joke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

In Australia, doctors could lose their licenses for stepping outside the official line.

Nobody could be honest in the medical world, at that time. Maybe still? I'm not sure, but unlikely. Those nurses and doctors were probably too scared to speak the truth I'd imagine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Implying doctors or the nurses providing the vaccines withheld information around side effects?

I don’t believe that for a moment.

I was given detailed information when getting these vaccines.

And a discussion with my wife who was a nurse at one of the vaccination centres, covering themselves regarding potential side effects was the priority.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

This was the situation in Australia:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf

Some key quotes from the former Australian Medical Association (AMA) president.

“This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself, another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation,” the 65-year-old said.

The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several specialists who have told me that they have seen ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation.”

Her comment which is what I was referring to:

“Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that ‘might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout’ or risk suspension or loss of their registration,” she said.

It was very real here. I'm not sure where you're from, but here, if anyone didn't say exactly what they were told, consequences were real.

Hence, those nurses in the linked story from OP, I personally feel probably knew, but were fearful. I can say that for sure though. Based on how things were at the time, it would make sense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

The problem with global media is that every single outlier event gets hyped to such a degree that it appears to be a common occurrence.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

I agree, part of keeping trust in collective health measures is trusting people when they say they are hurt by them and trying to help.

These people did a prosocial and sensible thing, they got hurt in freak accidents, they deserve respect and compassion.