Ukraine

True and "fuck-you-Putin"-Pilled

So absurd. West's agreements with Russia have never been kept. Minsk agreements were Russia's main efforts to resolve Ukraine peacefully, and western participation was inherent admission of Ukraine nazi aggression problem. EU plan for NATO to serve the US harder is sure to be a big winner.

Whole of Europe has just discovered that you need to heavily invest in your armies and be part of a strong military alliance. And now the already partly occupied nation on ruzzis southern border shall feel safe without any allies?

Nah, buddies, piss off with that dumb idea. As an European I'd say: Make Ukraine stronger and help them achieve peace in their country at their terms.

Neutrality could work if we give Ukraine nuclear weapons and the ability to make more. That's the only thing other than a military alliance that'll reliably keep Russia out of the country.

I get the feeling that nuclear proliferation would not be seen as a desirable solution, though.

Well OK, the Russians have broken every peace accord for the past few hundred years. But surely this time it will be different.

~ European "centrist" politicians

Damn true.

I don't know who thinks anyone will believe in a russian commitment.

@Cephalotrocity I think Finland and Sweeden should become some of the NATO leaders should the US withdraw to any extent