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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

By choosing to respond to 'your body, my choice' you're also validating it as a statement that needs discussion or response. It doesn't need either. It's a bizarre statement that's meant to provoke. If you don't like the polarization that's happening, don't let yourself be provoked, don't engage, ignore unworthy nonsense. Responding with hatred, however well deserved you think it is, does not help us transcend polarization, it's just another step in the polarization dance.

Not sure I'm 100% convinced of the above sentiment, ignoring it could make things worse too, hatred does sometimes need rebuttal and just ignoring it could be dangerous too. Still I'm wondering if this would be the right approach. I think perhaps it would help if we would not let ourselves be provoked, take a deep breath, and respond in a matter of fact way, that's not snarky, that's devoid of any sense of hatred, that's not exciting, perhaps even boring but honest and true.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's my body! I don't know you!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

lol, just cuck him with an immigrant or foreigner.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago (25 children)

This is not correct. Do not do this.

"Your body, my choice" does not rise to the level of an imminent threat of violence or lawless behavior. It's certainly not "fighting words" as defined by SCOTUS. Without an immediate threat of violence, you do not have a legal right to use physical force. Even in states with 'make my day' laws, this is absolutely not something you can respond to with violence.

I am not an attorney, I am not your attorney, and I would strongly suggest that you consult with a competent criminal defense attorney before you take this course of action.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I understand what you are saying.

But anyone saying that to women is a clear threat and I will defend myself against anyone saying this to me and not accept this rising level of violent speech.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The law needs to catch up. MAGAs have been doing this for a while. Where they say absolute heinous stuff, under the gaze of "freedom of speech and expression" until it becomes accepted enough for some other asshole to be emboldened enough to try and get away with it or even get passed as law! A tactic loved by fascists around the globe. It works similarly to a false prophecy.

MAGAs can't rape women? They'll make it clear that women will have their rights revoked into the future so they better "get used to it" starting now. MAGAs can't kill women? They'll just take life critical healthcare away. With this combination it's not only EVEN MORE LIKELY than usual someone will get away with rape, but that it'll result in the woman's death!

"Your body, my choice" should be seen as a death threat and should be dealt with accordingly. Any kids saying this should be made vividly aware of just how fucking monstrous those words are, and should face detention or even the threat of expulsion if they refuse to stop it. This is not a light matter. We're talking about rasing rapist here!

But Americans sure don't seem to agree, they still see school shootings as a "whatever, put in more police officers" to shoot at the kids with guns kind of issue, so what do I know? I guess raping and shooting up kids is what America desires and I'm the weird foreigner brining in my weird values.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Maybe you missed the memo, but the law is not changing in our favor unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, good luck in court!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a guy, I'd acquit if I went on a jury for a case like this. It only take one to hang, and they don't have the resource to keep trying forever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You would likely be removed for cause from the jury pool if you said something like this during questioning from attorneys.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Therefore don't say that in questioning

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not a lawyer yet still giving legal advice.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i think that

I would strongly suggest that you consult with a competent criminal defense attorney before you take this course of action

is one of the few pieces of legal advice that you don’t need to be a lawyer to offer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Agreed. Also, "Your body, my choice" is possibly meant as a threat, possibly meant as a taunt. But, what it definitely is: a statement of power. Asshole men are saying this because they think the landscape has shifted so much that they can now get away with it -- and they're probably right.

American police are already some of the biggest right-wing assholes. Who do you think they're going to side with in a confrontation where a man says this to a woman? Even if legally a woman were 100% justified in responding with violence, in the real world where men have the power, and men are feeling even more powerful since Trump's victory, being legally right isn't enough.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

I took it as a counter argument, not legal advice.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wait are you saying that crimes have consequences? I thought that wasn't actually true anymore from what I have seen going on lately.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago

They do for us, silly.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Threats are assault. It's self defense.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't agree with the statement, but seriously, it's not self defense unless they're holding a knife or are about to hit you

You'll end up with criminal charges

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

as long as you feel that threat is imminent- and it's something a 'reasonable person' would agree with under the totality of circumstances- you're free to take them at their word and use reasonable force to prevent it.

Keep in mind, reasonable force might include running away. But if some one corners you, and says they'll fuck you up, you don't have to assume they're full of shit.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That’s my purse! I don’t know you!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

lmao his parents’ horror when they found out what Bobby was doing

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That went from protecting religious values to abusing people real fucking quick right? It was never about that.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago

Always has been 🌏👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

[–] [email protected] 85 points 3 days ago (4 children)

My friend is a teacher. He has heard kids say your body my choice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Expel them.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

They’re all getting fed this trash by Nick Fuentes, 4chan trolls, Elon musk, Andrew Tate, Matt Walsh, Jordan Peterson, YouTube algorithms which push right wing content, and the list goes on.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"bUt I oNlY hEaR pEoPlE sAyInG iT oN lEmMy aNd rEdDiT"

Guess people will always like to stick their heads in the ground like a freaking ostrich.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I really hope schools are taking a zero tolerance policy with this. Kids need to learn that shit is absolutely not ok.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hate to say this but schools are heavily influenced by the shitty parents of said kids.

There was an older comic, lemme pull it up:

Sorry for the 9gag quality, but I'm sure it gets the point across.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

I would hope that schools sit down with kids that say this and discuss what the statement means, how it is interpreted, and ask the kid to put himself in the other person’s shoes. Not a big fan of punishing kids harshly for things they may well have copied from their parents.

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