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You call out Russia or China, MLs think if they regurgitate "read theory" that solves my issues with them.

You call out American liberals and how they aid fascists, you're calling a secret Trump supporter.

You say that genocide is an evil action, liberals and Tankies will defend their favorite country's actions because you're a shill for the enemy if you do.

You say America did something kinda good, you're somehow a neolib in disguise. You lightly praise the USSR, you're Stalin's second cousin as an AI.

I just don't want people harmed by a government force. Fuck me, I guess? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills for applying the same morals to every politician and country, even ones I live in or slightly like.

Edit: If someone said it was annoying being an leftist and a bunch of liberals came in exusing their actions and doubling down, everyone would be singing a different tune. Just kinda fascinating.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

You say that genocide is an evil action, liberals and Tankies will defend their favorite country's actions because you're a shill for the enemy if you do.

Um, no "tankie" would be upset if you call out genocide. Are you talking about the Uyghurs? Because that's not a genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Annoying being an anarchist (or variants, dv incoming) in life, pretty standard, every time I've tried, that's your moral/ethical choice, stand by, take strength from whatever you do, and change what you can.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Named self after EVD, who famously became a marxist after reading theory while stuck in prison

complains about being told to read theory

Have you tried having serious politics instead vaguely vibing with generally anti-government ideas?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Get used to it, anarchists pick losing fights against the whole world

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't know if Varyk's claim of your style of engagement is true, I haven't looked at your comment history, so I'll respond to what you've faced regardless of if you've attracted more disagreement than strictly needed.

Being an anarchist, and being super direct and upfront about your views, is going you get you some ire no matter where you go.

The reason is, generally speaking, you're looking through history and systems of power with a lens that makes the problems with those other systems quite glaring.

The people who have adopted those other systems and ideologies will have already accepted the cognitive dissonance that comes with them, and they're not going to take kindly to your nuanced opinion that makes them have to reevaluate their cognitive dissonance again. It's much easier to dismiss or attack you instead.

Now there are ways of softening your critiques and opinions to make them less liable to attract anger, such adopting the Mr.Rodgers style, but sometimes that can be too soft, depending on the context. You'll have to decide when that's appropriate for yourself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

You're wrong, having any firm opinion is annoying on Lemmy. Everyone here is the most difficult person in their social circle and we will throw hands

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Welcome to humanity, I guess. We're full of contractions and no matter your opinion, someone will hate you for it.

I wouldn't worry too much about it and just focus on your own beliefs first. You'll never start a conversation with someone or change their opinion if you only tell them how they are wrong. And I'm not just trying to single you out. In fact, the people you are complaining about do the same thing. As soon as someone's beliefs are put into questions they will do anything to defend it no matter how irrational it is and will even contradict themselves just to prove that one belief.

As an example, unless you're a straight up piece of shit or a bigot I can't find a reason to actually support innocent people getting killed or hurt. But if someone supported a person/people before shit got worse, they'll try and justify it and believe there must be a reason. It's kinda like a toxic relationship. Someone will stay in a relationship with someone for years with abuse, but because they love them they'll try and justify it and believe they must have deserved it. It's really easy to see shit from the outside, but from the inside you want to believe there is a reason and that you are right. No matter what. Because if you're wrong, what do you even stand for?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Welcome to humanity, I guess. We're full of contractions and no matter your opinion, someone will hate you for it.

Counter argument! Saying you like to eat cake will probably not give you hate from sane people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

NGL I do think less of people who eat cake if I'm honest. Not like super openly and I'd never use that as judgement, but gut feeling-wise? Yeah

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's fucking disgusting. Ground up murdered plants and chicken ovulation. I hate you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

See, you love me!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Assuming you mean a cake that involves eggs, milk and/or butter, I'd bet you could find some vegans who would be angry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And if you made it with fake eggs, milk and/or butter, you would make even more people angry!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Maybe its their right to tell you your opinions suck in their eyes

Also "liberals", using that therm for US democrat voters will make you look like a Trump supporter in the eyes of basically everyone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I see you've never seen the other half of Lemmy, aka "the tankies." They know exactly what op means by liberals and they hate them more than they hate conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Oh, ive seen lemmygrad, but i don't count them as people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Although they use it the same way, anyone outside the reactionary in-group.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

government

You're not the right kind of anarchist

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

You’re not the right kind of anarchist

I think doing this is unkind and wasting a chance to educate a (potential) companion.

@OP When you use "goverment" instead of state, some people get reminded of american right wingers and right-wing libertarians which use that word most often in the public discourse. Most anarchist use different vocabulary like "state" because its clearer defined and because it is based on anarchist theory that goes back hundreds of years. Personally I think its pretty clear what you are talking about in that sentence and its unfair to call you "not the right kind of anarchist" because of that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

For using the word government??? What kind of crazy gatekeeping is this?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you explain? I don't understand what's happening here

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right, I suppose if you explained then it wouldn't be gatekeeping.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

No, im just gatekeeping the gatekeeping community. We love gates

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

from what you've typed here, it doesn't sound like you're expressing very thought-out arguments.

everything is a broad stroke or a defensive sarcastic poke.

your account is only 2 weeks old and this is your first post.

I just checked your comment history, a lot of your comments look designed to antagonize people and you use broad terms like fascist a lot without adding anything relevant to the conversation.

If you comment on specific policies without coming to a knee -jerk directly insulting holistic conclusion you probably won't be called out as often.

imagine that the people you are talking to are real people and how willing they would be to engage with your ideas if you said to a person face to face the things you are writing.

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