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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (7 children)

How are you guys pronouncing this?

Personally, I’ve found it sounds kind of nice when said like “Loon tea”.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It just looks like "Loo wan tee" to me.

Edit: Actually, just read the article, and considering the name Luanti is a mix between the Finnish word "creation" and the LUA programming language; and I'm preeetty sure LUA is pronounced "loo-wah" or "lew-ah", I think the Luanti pronunciation is more likely to be "loo-wun-tee".

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

This is good news! Anyone here played it recently? How far has the game come in terms of content compared to Minecraft or Vintage Story?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Mobs kinda suck, because the engine has no native mob API.

There are great mapgens who take advantage of the 1000's of blocks world height.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

it's just a framework, it depends on the mods you use. you can use mineclone2 if you want all the features of minecraft

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 days ago

I don't really like the new name yet, but it's a lot better than Minetest so I really can't complain.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

never thought i'd see minetest rebranding itself (if rebrand is the correct word at all anyway)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Man, I saw them initiating discussions around the name like a year ago. I did not expect anything to actually come from that after all this time. But yeah, glad that it did.

Now we just need a better default font. 🙃

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago

I actually like the new name. It seems like when a community project renames it always is something even worse than the original name. This is a great name that doesn't sound silly to say out loud.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

hope they improve upon it, the old (when the banning was implemented) version of minetest was horrible. I'll be trying it soon :)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It has come a long way. These days it doesn't even come with a game preinstalled. You can play VoxeLibre, Asuna, and so much more. Plus the original Minetest game is still installable. Also there are quite a lot of mods and other content available.

The only gripes I really have is the security and UI design. Neither are that bad but they could be better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What is the problem with security?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Online play is 100% unencrypted or authenticated. Client executes lua code sent by the server. I hope the code is kinda sandboxed but wouldnt put my hopes up there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Also there isn't necessarily a clean environment between mods. This means one mod could modify another mod.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As far as I’m aware, most of the “dangerous” lua api (io/network etc) is blocked and only available to mods during the startup phase, and not otherwise during runtime.

But I’m sure there are workarounds. For one, I’ve written mods with rust for it, and you can require and then call any dynamic library through lua, with all of the io and networking you’d want, as long as it is brought in during the init phase. And the mods that do access the “dangerous” api, have to be explicitly given rights to do so (but again, by the server, not the clients) in the config before it works.

It’s not that bad for the most cases, as long as you trust the server. If playing single player, you personally control which mods get the secure environment access, so at that point it’s entirely your own fault, if you get exploited.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Literally just yesterday my wife learned of Minetest's existence and said it was a terrible name

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

"good news honey, they heard your complaint and renamed it"

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the new name is equally terrible, at least in terms of pronunciation.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I've seen it a few times in passing and always assumed it was like, a tech demo or proof of concept.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

It made sense at the time...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Did they ever fix the game having a maximum map size of like 10.000 by 10.000? That limitation always seemed to put it at a disadvantage compared to Minecraft, for larger communities

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

They fixed that quite a while back. It is 60000x60000x60000

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Currently, the world dimensions are larger than that (according to the wiki):

“Minetest's world is a huge cube with a side length of ca. 60000 blocks. Each dimension (X, Y and Z) ranges from −30912 to 30927.”

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (6 children)

That’s better than I was thinking. But still, nothing beats “infinite”.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I find the increased world height much more important. Luanti can generate actual mountains, and caves where you'll want to bring ladders for your descent.
It was the first time, I felt like it made sense to build minecarts and intermediate mining bases, because the ores reach far deeper.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

That’s a really interesting point. Neat!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I played some minetest and then looked at Minecraft. Is minecraft really limited to -64 +256??? I read it a couple of times but still can't believe it. Ho can a game with °mine° in its name be so limited? More like Buildcraft Imo.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I believe, they increased it a little while ago, so it's actually -64 to +320 now.

But yeah, I don't think anyone's actually happy about the limited world height. It's so limited, because of the way Minecraft works on a technical level. It loads the map in chunks, which are just massive pillars, reaching from the bottom of the world all the way to the sky, across the whole 384 blocks.

As a result, if they increase the world height, they increase how many blocks have to be loaded at once, which increases the lag.
Luanti doesn't have this problem, because it uses cubic chunks instead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

minecraft is not infinite there is a world border by default that makes the world about 60 million by 60 million blocks

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It is basically infinite. I would be very surprised if you could reach the end. Having a pregenerated map also makes the game a lot lighter. (At the cost of longer world creation)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

erm achumally it goes to like 3 bajiklion until there is a world border 🤓👆

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Minecraft is not infinite

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Oh thank god. Minetest was the worst name, and the game is actually pretty cool. It definitely deserves a cool name, and Luanti sounds cool.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

I was so scared it was going to be something silly.

[–] [email protected] 202 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

this is ok. minetest was an awful name.

for those of you without the patience to read a blogpost, the new name's actually a bit of wordplay.

“Luanti” is a wordplay on the Finnish word luonti (“creation”) and the programming language Minetest Luanti employs for games and mods, Lua. The goal was to avoid yet another plain English word (good luck finding something unique…) and highlight the core principles of the project. The fusion of celeron55’s Finnish nationality and the platform’s focus on content creation resulted in the birth of “Luanti”.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I don't think it was that bad. I think the new name is better though

[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 days ago (2 children)

IMO, the worst thing about "Minetest" is that it sounded like it was just a test creation, a prototype or experiment. It's certainly well beyond that now. The announcement introduction mentions people associate it with being a Minecraft clone or alpha release, but even further, to me the name initially gave me the impression it was [still] someone's small hobby project. 'Luanti' is much better.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago

On this note, another thing I appreciate is what they said about "Free" and "Libre": those names are great for saying "This is a free/libre/open clone of [x]", and that's what I'll think when I see it. Software like LibreOffice aims to support Microsoft Office documents, OpenRTC2 and OpenTTD are for people who want to see those games pretty-faithfully cloned, even if extended. Luanti is not OpenMinecraft.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tbh Luanti is a pretty clever wordplay

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Plus it sounds Italian

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Gonna miss the old one but I definitely had to go. I kinda like Luanti too

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Too bad that luanti.org is note available...

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago

Not sure why this was upvoted, the blog says it's theirs.

Moving Forward

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With the new name, a few changes will be made in the engine and community. Obviously, all the repositories and community hubs will adopt the Luanti name in some form. You’ll be able to find the website at luanti.org and [snip]

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago

They have already bought .org and .net. I guess they just haven't set them up yet.

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