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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I own a Nintendo, and I haven't used it in years. I bought some games which were ridiculously priced compared to what I was used to on steam. I'm rather annoyed they keep their games console exclusive for this reason, they have like a monopoly of a market they control, it feels.

I was gonna get some more games to put on it, but with then shutting down these emulators, I think I'll use one of those instead. Fuck Nintendo.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I will always say this in these "Nintendo shuts down beloved fan project" threads: why don't the people working on these projects operate anonymously and release via torrent? I feel like I've been reading the same story for 20 years. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone at this point that Nintendo will come after you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nintendo didn't put legal pressure on emulator devs for decades at this point, which made devs less cautious about preserving their pseudonymity.

Now it's too late and they can't stop Nintendo from finding out who they are and which mistakes they did at some point over the years.

Maybe a new generation of emulator developers will be more protective of their identity, by using hosting providers like Njalla or privacy networks like i2p. The latter would limit access (as it requires i2p), which isn't desirable for most users.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Because emulation is legal. It shouldn't have to be hidden. This was taken through the courts in 2001 with the Sony vs Bleem lawsuit.

What appears to be happening is Nintendo is abusing its power and money to make threats of legal action that these groups just can't afford to fight, even though they haven't done anything illegal. It should be coming as a surprise that Nintendo is coming for them, because this is completely legal, and not some fan game using Nintendo IP (which is what they normally shut down).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Sony verdict didn’t establish emulation as legal

At most you find that it established using mods/creating derivatives is illegal

And on the low end it found that using pictures from competitors in advertising as comparison isn’t illegal

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

Emulation might be legal, but it's software specifically designed to run illegal copies of the games.

I dislike Nintendo, but I can't blame them for taking down that kind of software development. They're still selling many of their old games through their own store for their own emulators. They're perhaps charging way too much for it and/or lock it behind a subscription wall, even if you ever bought the original copies. Absolute garbage business practice, but from the corporate point of view I can see why they go after emulators. Especially since it's easier to take those down than trying to go after all digital emulator copies of the games (if not impossible).

They're probably gonna try and set an example to scare off others trying to make new emulators too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, it's software specifically designed to run digital backups of what's supposed to be personally owned media. It just so happens that it's very easy to obtain a copy otherwise, but there's nothing inherently illegal about it or the games.

Strong arming independent projects, and individual developers especially, that are very careful to not endorse that, effectively holding them accountable for others, is morally questionable at best.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That may be the main reason why people use or even create emulators, but there are still legitimate uses for emulators. It's like banning couples from riding the same motorcycle because two people on a bike is usually a robbery.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

What do you think emulation is?

Copying your own copy of a game and using tools for compatibility is what we're talking about, is protected, and already has the case law demonstrating so.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is it illegal to copy your own Nintendo games?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It is not illegal to make backup copies for yourself of games you have purchased and own.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

As shitty as it is, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is like if a pedestrian gets struck by a car while on a crosswalk. Yeah, they were allowed to be there... but they should have looked both ways before crossing the street.

This is a case of people being idealistic rather than practical.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Incidentally, this is a perfect example, because the automotive industry ran a series of ad campaigns to change public sentiment after cars got more common and children and elderly citizens started dying in the streets.

Nintendo is working equally hard to change public sentiment against the innocent.

Source: https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

You're talking about blame assignment, but I am instead referring to the fact that in both the Nintendo and the automotive example that somebody got smacked because they weren't careful enough.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fuck Nintendo. All they have done is ensure I never buy one of their products again.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What do they think they achieve with this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Forcing people to purchase the Switch 2 for their handheld needs, obviously </sarcasm>

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

@nichtburningturtle @mr_MADAFAKA not sure, there's already like 500 forks up, may the one with the coolest name win.

it's in the repo for basically any linux distribution too so the source and executables are mirrored on literally thousands of servers and easily downloadable, so absolute worst case scenario it's version froze at 1.1.1388 for the time being.

all that happened to yuzu is a slight name change so i don't expect much more here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

@nichtburningturtle @mr_MADAFAKA confirmed, the full git history up to yesterday is preserved and already mirrored all over, so it's all good 👍

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

'offered an agreement'

So bribed them?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

They sent people to his house

I'm Brazil

motherfucker had goons sicced on him

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Probably more of a "Do x, y, and z and we agree not to sue you about it"

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Knew that was coming, at some point... I wonder if anyone grabbed copies of the git repos.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Archive org has it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I've seen a few floating around.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

If anyone has the git repo downloaded, they have a copy of it (from when they last pulled)

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