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I may get hate for this, but... I do this a fair bit because I prefer TUIs for a lot of stuff, and also end up doing a lot of things in emacs because I usually have it open anyway...
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I would not recommend web links opening in other programs.
Reject pixel-graphics, install aalib
;^)
I'd love to be able to ditch the gui entirely, I've found working from a TTY really helps me focus on the actual work I'm supposed to be doing
Unfortunately the one impossible hurdle is the web browser. Have kinda got around the need for it mostly with an llm cli for basic questions but will always find myself needing to fire up a window manager just to get a browser eventually
Also doesn't help that I'm primarily a web developer
always find myself needing to fire up a window manager just to get a browser eventually
A chromeless tiling WM is basically invisible and AFAIK has almost zero performance impact. That's roughly what I do.
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Why alpine instead of mutt? It must be some 20 years since I least heard about pine or any of its forks
Because I'm too dumb to configure mutt.
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How much can you actually do without a windowing environment? [...] Opening images in fbi, PDFs in fbpdf, listening to music in cmus, watching movies in mplayer
~~Maybe not an "environment" but it sounds like you're at least using a window manager. The PDFs and videos, not to mention web browser, are gonna be hard to pull off from a raw shell.~~ [Hard but not that hard, apparently!]
But that's a detail. Otherwise I share your enthusiasm, I've been doing things this way for a while. Basically: tiling window manager + TUI file manager + scripts which do precisely what I want, if possible in the terminal, if necessary by launching a GUI app. In practice the GUI apps are Firefox, mapping app, and messaging apps.
The general discovery I made was this: for the small price of foregoing pretty colors and buttons and chrome, you can get a computer to do exactly what you want it to do much quicker. Assuming a willingness to learn a bit of shell scripting, of course.
For example: I have a button which runs a script with getmail that pulls in my email and then deploys ripmime and weasyprint to convert it to datestamped PDF files, which it dumps with any attachments directly into an inbox folder. In other words, I have made ranger into my email client and I never need to "download" anything, it's already there.
And those PDFs I can then manipulate with a bunch of shell scripts that use standard utilities, i.e. to split them, merge them, shrink them, clean them of metadata, even make them look like they come from photocopied paper (dumb bank!). All the stupid shit I once did with 10 manipulations hunting thru menus with a pointer in a fiddly app and always forgetting how it was done. Now I just select the file in the terminal, hit a button and it's done, I don't even see the PDF.
Of course, it's not for everyone, but this is the promise of free computing.
The general discovery I made was this: for the small price of foregoing pretty colors and buttons and chrome, you can get a computer to do exactly what you want it to do much quicker. Assuming a willingness to learn a bit of shell scripting, of course.
I find the emphasis people put on speed interesting, because by far the slowest part of any interaction I have with my computer is caused by me just figuring out what I'm doing next. When I'm functioning at top speed not needing to click around, or say, having the perfect keyboard shortcut, would save me only fractions of a second.
Actually.. to add to this I think the cognitive load of visually navigating is much lower than typing specific things it. I think this is why I find I'd prefer to click around my bookmarks or files to find something than just pull up a "Find" dialog and type something reasonable in.
Fair point about raw speed. I never found the keyboard-vs-mouse speed debate very interesting either.
But cognitive load is a double-edged sword. Sure, the first time you attempt a task, the abstraction of a GUI is really helpful. There's nothing to remember, you just point and click around and eventually the task is done. But when you have a task with 7 steps which you have to do every 2 weeks, then the GUI becomes a PITA in my experience. GUIs are all but impossible to script, and so you're gonna need a good memory if you want to get it done quickly and accurately. This is where CLI scripting becomes genuinely useful. Personally I have quite a few such tasks.
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No, I'm not using a window manager, X nor Wayland.
Images, PDFs and video can be rendered on the framebuffer, which has been the standard output for Linux TTY's for a while now.
For multitasking, I use tmux, which works a lot like a tiling window manager, but for the text console.
Great! I guessed that going full framebuffer would be trickier than that. You've laid me down a new challenge.
You get a similar feeling using the console a lot in full screen. It's just a very peaceful, focused experience.
That’s actually a good point. I’m a TUI guy as much as the next one but I normally use full screen terminal and tmux instead of larping the 90s.
Deeply respect the hustle - I was also X-free in the early 00s - but I wonder what is the advantage of going raw tty instead of full screen terminal in a wm
Thatâ™s⠀really cool. � Ꭰо уо𝗎 𝗍һі𝗇𝗄 уо𝗎'ӏӏ со𝗇𝗍і𝗇𝗎е ᖯ𝗋о𝗐ѕі𝗇𝗀 ӏі𝗄е 𝗍һа𝗍?
Fuck you, you really made me check on my phone if all my text looks like this :(
(Your comment showed up "fine", by the way)
Yes, I think I will. Not exclusively, of course. But starting Firefox in Wayland just takes a key combo and 5 seconds if needed.

Launching it using the raw framebuffer means it blocks the screen until you close it, and there's no means to do anything else except switching to another TTY, is that it?
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Starting Firefox takes 5 seconds? I start thinking I need to optimise if it takes more than 2
It takes 5 seconds when the PC has to start up a wayland compositor, first.
Ahhh my bad I didn't read your comment properly, assumed you meant with a desktop running already
It's 2008. I'm posting this from the browser on my Nintendo Wii.
Give browsh a try
I did. It doesn't accept mouse clicks from gpm, and it doesn't offer keyboard navigation. Both issues are long-standing bugs that also affect the Chrome version, Carbonyl.
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Your post made me wonder, so I checked and of course it exists. Behold, a text-mode Lemmy client: Neon Modem Overdrive
Tried it. Didn't work.
Well, that's disappointing.
Try it if you're interested. It worked for enough other people that the dev closed my issue.
I couldn't get it to show any content, on 3 different distros and 4 different home instances.
Maybe I'm just really dumb, though.