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I've noticed a general sentiment that printing on Linux is (or at least was) extremely cumbersome and difficult. Why is that?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

thats just cuz printers generally suck

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Are you old enough to remember Winmodems and NDISWrapper? There used to be some hardware that was so cheap that the Windows driver needed to do some of the basic work. They were never compatible with anything but Windows (and maybe 98 or XP at that). I’m sure there were some printers like that.

Combined with poor driver support early on, and a lack of standards (at least on the consumer end), and the need to have a separate PPD file for every make and model of printer, and printing used to be a mess. (It almost got bad again when Microsoft tried pushing their XPS format as a replacement for PostScript, PCL, PDF, and EPS, but that didn’t catch on.)

Apple buying CUPS (and hiring its lead developer) was great for the community. They got it working all but perfectly. I’ve never had a problem printing on Linux; HP, Brother, or otherwise.

FYI: the developer quit Apple and forked his project into OpenCUPS, but I haven’t tried that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I use printer with a USB personally. No issues with that but I got an HP printer that is really weird with the network stuff

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

my experience is that through network, it's just flawless. I turned on my printer and sure there it was. (though this feature just became a huge issue recently :P)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

If you have a hp printer they got a official software for it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I haven't used a new printer or an inkjet in a number of years now, but using my 18yo HP laserjet is a matter of plugging it in and checking it's status under the main distro settings menu. That was also on par with the windows process iirc.

I do remember 20 years ago when I had to sideload pcmcia wifi drivers, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

True, i have 20yo hp inkjet and 17yo epson inkjet, old printers work like a charm on linux and you can refill them with standard medical syringe too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is way easier than anything else.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This was also my recent experience on PopOs!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I just started with PopOS a couple years ago. I'm not a power user. I've got one of those crappy travel printers. I think it's Canon? I forget. It worked just fine for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

my printer spits out page upon page of random characters and mess when I try to print from my desktop, gave up and use my phone now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You need to set the correct settings. It takes a few tries but in my experience it isn't that hard

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

you need to set the correct settings

thanks for the insightful suggestion wowee

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

An u until live CD will find my decade old HP laser and print to it without any work.

Getting my NIXOS to print at the same printer? About an hour.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Anything on Nix takes a long time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I did have a weird issue with my printer under nix, turns out it was a bug. I guess 1h time investment is about right.

But that also meant that my Laptop and my GF's PC were a 0 seconds time investment.

I think that's neat :D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I kind of like that aspect of it... Is that wrong?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No, it is highly reproducible. I think the idea of Nix OS isn't bad. I actually looked into it for Samba as deploying software on Nix is easy. The problem is that it doesn't scale well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think Nix is the future. I feel like at some point we could have fedora ublue for all distros by using nix with GUI configs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I can't see that happening but you never know

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It used to be much, much more difficult than it is today, but your experiences will still vary according to what type of printer you have. The problem is drivers. There are still printers out there that have no working Linux driver (mostly old, non-Postscript-supporting, with no Mac drivers either). Some will work with a generic driver, but some features aren't available. The more annoying case is the one where the manufacturer put out a driver once, many years ago, it doesn't work properly with modern versions of CUPS, and they can't be arsed to revise it.

But most printers these days will do basic one-sided 100%-size prints out of the box, and that's all many people need.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Because printing in Linux both works and is supported and not supported and hope that there are drivers and they work.

For example, I have a brother printer and in both arch and Ubuntu/mint the printer worked out of the box. But I was missing features like double sided printing. So I had to download drivers for it.

In arch the drivers were on the AUR, so I was printing is seconds.

In Ubuntu/mint they weren’t in my package manager, so I had to go to brother’s website and hope they had drivers. Brother did and while it took a bit it did work too. No worse than windows.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I've never bien able to get printing to work on arch, void or nixos.

For some reason though debian, fedora, open s'use ans their derivatives have been easier than on windows

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I think that used to be the case more than it is now. Linux now uses the same printing system (CUPS) as macOS, and macOS printing has to work or Apple's customers would be unsatisfied.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

HP Laser 107w, driverless, over LAN.

I just Ctrl+P from any software and it prints.

It also prints programmatically (for e.g. folk.computer ) thanks to IPP.

I didn't have to "think about printing" since I have that setup so I don't know where you get that sentiment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Linux printing is very complex. Before Foomatic came along you got to experience it in all it's glory and setting up a working printing chain was a pain. The Foomatic Wikipedia page has a diagram that will make your head spin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

No doubt, the kernel itself is also quite complex... but my comment here is on the user experience perspective, namely, for me at least "it just works". So I'm not trying to imply it will work for anybody flawlessly nor that it's due to the simplicity of the stack, solely that it works, for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Anecdotally Windows is the only platform I've used where printing (and scanning) didn't tend to "just work". The only issue I've had printing under Linux was with a second hand printer my dad got that we couldn't get to print from any computer. (shrug)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Printing on Linux has been seamless for me so far, unlike windows and macos

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Funny thing is, I don't own a printer, so when I need documents printed I go to the local library. Their computers run Linux, and of all the times I've gone to get a print done it's been an extremely flawless experience. No fuss, no hassle, just load up the document and print it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Dunno, I own the cheapest Ink Jet HP sells and setup is much faster on Linux than via their drivers on Windows.
Gnome Scanner also wipes the floor with any scanning application from HP/MSFT

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

NAPS2 is good for Windows

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I noticed this too. In theprimeagens recent video on cups problem they kept making jokes about printing on Unix. I think I must be lucky or something cause so far every printer I have setup on Linux has been easier then having to download all the bloatware to make them work on windows. But I have only done about 6 printers so far on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I also like not getting ads from printer companies

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It depends on the brand I guess. Some Canon Pixma did immediately worked with my distro, like literally zero setup required. However, it refuses duplexing. It just won't do it. Not driverless and not with gutenprint, although it lists the specific model, not when setting it as the default, not when setting it per job.

Yet it works on Android no problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're printin experience within Linix is going to entirely depend on which printer you have. Some work out of the box immediately others take hours to get working and digging through forums looking for drivers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I'd say 70% work out of the box with 10% requiring about 30 min of tinkering to get working. The last 10% is completely impossible

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

As long as your printer is supported, it's not difficult. The problem is that if you need advanced options, like artists need usually, the options aren't there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I have a Postscript 3 compatible ipp network color laser printer for about 15 years now and it works without any issues with Linux, way better then it does from Windows. So I never understood way they say that printing is cumbersome with Linux.

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