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Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 1 month ago (4 children)

including scores of women and children

This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but... that's always seemed weird to me.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It's easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatan

The age old problem of "excess males" solved by declaring open season on anyone with facial hair.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's true, but super fucked that women get the innocence of children and men are assumed to be not innocent in any situation.

Life is harsh when you're a guy.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Given the Israeli position on military rape, it's just a different flavor of attrocity.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Call to emotion, nothing else. Women and children "sounds" worse than "people" dying.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (4 children)

In Gaza casualty numbers any adult man is assumed to be a combatant by Isreal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Anyone past puberty actually.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Cool. Now do something that stops him. Going for a coffee won't save lives.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Only the US (or Israel's Arab allies bought by the US) can do that and yeah.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help by mandate supported by countries just shows you don't understand what their purpose is.

Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don't end up in wars they did not want.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe so... but I feel like this is one of the biggest mistakes in the post WWII order. Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)

well then russia would be right about NATO lmao

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[–] [email protected] 209 points 1 month ago (11 children)

He is such a fucking scumbag. Fuck him and fuck the rest of Israel.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Fuck the USA, and every country too chicken shit to oppose a criminally corrupt sociopath committing war crimes to delay his own imminent corruption trial and imprisonment.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Fuck the USA government, you mean. I only live here, and all I get to do is choose between the lesser of two evils every 4 years. What a nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you think you only get a choice once every four years, that's part of the problem. There's elections every single year, many of which you have more choice and more power over.

Maybe if people showed up to vote more than once every four years we'd actually see some effective change.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It's ridiculous that there's effectively only two parties, and it's ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:

Compulsory voting Ease of access for voting Preferential voting Lower bar for running, meaning every citizen has the opportunity to run

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It’s ridiculous that there’s effectively only two parties, and it’s ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:

so then go and push/vote for voting reform, federally and more importantly at a state level, shit like IRV is very much within reach.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Elections that can affect things on a national level are still only once every two years. I vote in every election but going off on people who vote for but doing it often enough is just stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well yeah, obviously. If you blamed the entire population for its governments actions then every human alive is guilty.

Fuck the US government, and everyone who supports their crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good point, them leaving says I don’t want to be involved not that I want to stop the injustice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It's the only way they can express their revulsion at Israel, and the US who constantly block anything else they might try

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