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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (14 children)

How would y'all feel if Valve started selling PCs with their flavor of Linux on it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You mean like Steam Machine?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sort of, but aimed more at general purpose computing rather than gaming

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I personally think it is a very bad idea to "speed run development" of protocols. This will only lead to broken designs which will then cause each desktop top do things differently.

Wayland protocol development is slow and heavily debated in order to make sure everyone is happy implementing them. You want all desktop to use the same spec and this could lead to additional desktop specific protocols which would totally break compatibility.

In short, this is a really bad idea and should be rejected by everyone

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I've been waiting for HDR and color management for like 5 years now and it feels like progress is dead in the water and now we've ended up with two custom implementations between KDE and gamescope. Heck, Kodi has supported HDR for ages when running direct to FB.

I know it's tricky but geez, by the time they release an actual protocol extension we'll already have half a dozen implementations that will have to be retooled to the standard, or worse yet we'll have a standard plus a bunch of fiddly incompatible implementations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

HDR is a little more standardized as there was a meeting sponsored by Red hat to work it out

Eventually gnome will get support and maybe some others after that

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I personally think it is a very bad idea to “speed run development” of protocols.

Stalling the development of protocols for nearly a decade is bad, too.

They should talk and meet somewhere between “Just develop in production!” and “I personally dislike it for non-technical reasons, so I will block it for everyone!”

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Wayland development is crazy. The features it needs to include are those that Mac OS and Windows support. The debate should be around implementation, not the necessity. I’m still on Xorg in 2024 because of idiosyncrasies in Wayland that I don’t want to deal with, particularly regarding HiDPI and screen sharing. I personally wish Wayland were developed by the Pipewire team. Maybe something would get done.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that you could end up with protocols that certain desktops don't want to implement.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That already happens constantly and I'd consider this the consequence of it, rather than the cause. You can only issue so many vetoes before people no longer want to deal with you and would rather move on.

The recent week of Wayland news (including the proposal from a few hours ago to restate NACK policies) is starting to feel like the final attempt to right things before a hard fork of Wayland. I've been following wayland-protocols/devel/etc from the outside for a year or two and the vibes have been trending that way for a while.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

No one will use a fork of Wayland. That would be suicide. The Wayland project will continue no matter what other things people are working on. I can see a separate project forming but it strongly doubt it will have any traction.

If you recall back to the days of the yearly internet people said the same thing about TCP/IP

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That depends on how you speed it up. For example, the Covid vaccines were "accelerated" compared to normal vaccines but they did that by spending additional money to run the steps of the process in parallel. Normally they don't do that because if one of the steps fail they have to go back and those parallel processes are wasted. For the Covid vaccines, the financial waste was deemed worth it to get the speed up of parallelization.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The thing is Wayland needs consensus. You need the desktop developers to all agree to implement it. Asking KDE and Gnome developers to work together is like asking my cousin to agree with his ex wife. It takes the stars aligning and blessing to make it happen.

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