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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last week's thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

If you want decentralized systems you have to take the good with the bad. It’s part of the game

I wonder if these people are at all familiar with the stages of grief

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Orange site on pager bombs in Lebanon:

If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it.

It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

technical aspect seems to be for now that israeli secret services intercepted and sabotaged thousands of pagers to be distributed for hezbollah operatives, then blew them up all at once. it does look like small, reportedly less than 20g each explosive charge, but orange site accepted truth is that it was haxxorz blowing up lithium batteries. israelis already did exactly this thing but with phone in targeted assassination, and actual volume of such bomb would be tiny (about 10ml)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

“best at”, they say? I shall have to update my priors

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Behind the Bastards is starting a series about Yarvin today. Always appreciate it when they wander into our bailiwick!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Also means we're likely to have a better jumping on point to explain these people to those who aren't already here. Hope he does one on Yud and friends in the not too distant future.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Paul Krugman and Francis Fukuyama and Daniel Dennett and Steve Pinker were in a "human biodiversity discussion group" with Steve Sailer and Ron Unz in 1999, because of course they were

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also John McCarthy and Ray fucking Blanchard

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Mr AGP? Wow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I look forward to the 'but we often disagreed' non-apologies. With absolute lack of self reflection on how this helped push Sailer/Unz into the positions they are now. If we even get that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Pinker: looking through my photo album where I’m with people like Krauss and Epstein, shaking my head the whole time so the people on the bus know I disagree with them

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Who could have predicted that liberalism would lead into scientific racism and then everything else that follows (mostly fascism)???

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Surely "scientific" is giving them far too much credit? I recall previously sneering at some quotes about skull sizes, including something like women keep bonking their heads?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I believe the term is not so much meant to convey properties of science upon them as to describe the particular strain of racist shitbaggery (which dresses itself in appears-science, much like what happens in/with scientism)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Oh, definitely. For clarity my intention was to riff off them and increase levels of disrespect towards racists. In hindsight, the question format doesn't quite convey that.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Just discovered Patrick Boyle's channel. Deadpan sneer perfection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jhTnk3TCtc

edit: tried to post invidious link but didn't seem to work

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

The only invidious instance that works this week is nadeko:

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=3jhTnk3TCtc

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

his delivery regarding the content is absolute perfection

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

What are the chances that--somewhere deep in the bowels of Clearwater, FL--some poor soul has been ordered to develop an AI replicant of L. Ron Hubbard?

There is a substantial corpus.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How would you audit a computer? Would they add USB-C ports to the cans?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

pours a bag of powdered mdma all over the computer "look at it! it's drenched in e! PURGE!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

cat /dev/thetans > ~/genius.txt

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Doesn't have his body tethans so would be a different person or something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the only worthwhile use of LLMs: endlessly prompting the L Ron Hubbard chatbot with Battlefield Earth reviews as a form of acausal torture

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

look at me i am the basilisk now

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

so mozilla decided to take the piss while begging for $10 donations:

We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet and take on irresponsible tech companies. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide are making donations. And when each one of us contributes what we can, all those donations add up fast.

With the rise of AI and continued threats to online privacy, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet.

the rise of AI you say! wow that sounds awful, it’s so good Mozilla isn’t very recently notorious for pushing that exact thing on their users without their consent alongside other privacy-violating changes. what a responsible tech company!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

is this what gaslighting is?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Gaslighting? What are you talking about? There’s no such thing as gaslighting. Maybe you’re going crazy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet with the browser we barely maintain and take on irresponsible tech companies that pay us vast sums of money. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide haven't realized we're a charity racket dressed up as a browser who will spend all your money on AI and questionable browser plugins. And when each one of us contributes what we can, we can waste the money all the faster!

With the rise of AI (you're welcome, by the way, for the MDN AI assistant) and continued threats to online privacy like question like integrating a Mr. Robot Ad into firefox without proper code review, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And ~~marks~~ supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in such a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet in any way we know how -- except by improving our browser of course that would be silly.

(I'm feeling extra cynical today)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

upside of this: they’ll get told why they’re not getting many of those $10 donations

downside of that (rejection): that could be exactly what one of the ghouls-in-chief there need to push some or other bullshit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the ability of Mozilla’s executives and PMs to ignore public outcry is incredible, but not exactly unexpected from a thoroughly corrupt non-profit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

could revitalise the ivory trade by mining these towers

(/s, about the trade bit)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

it's even funnier than that (albeit also super depressing, in some ways)

primer: hilmar (the head honcho at ccp) has been "crypto = bae" for going on 5~6y now (that I'm aware of, maybe longer), to the point that there are pictures of the guy at chain confs from around then, and mentions of people talking with him in The Private Backrooms at said chain confs. it's been his darling and he has wanted very, very hard to put it into tq (the main game server). see this for example (and fwiw, warning: eve reddit)

in-fill: there also appears to be quite a bit of cart before the horse element in how the company operates - they will frequently first work on something, then when it starts getting near release they'll send out some surveys that almost without fail have some extremely loaded questions in them. an example would be that instead of asking players what they generally think of xyz feature/intended mechanic/etc, the survey will instead garden path answers along, attempting to manufacture consent/compliance.

and, last little detail: keep in mind this is a game where people will min-max the everloving shit out of something, and where a fair number of people out there are willing to trade actual time to making in-game money with which to fund their gametime ("plexing"). people who would be willing to engage with some really ridiculous abstract/effortful shit for whatever gains they could, just because they could.

so with that said, during 2021/2022 (in the middle of the NFT tsunami of shit) the first big round of "we want to add NFTs to tq" came about. and there were a fair amount of indications that ccp had already sunk quite a bunch of devtime on it, and were getting ready to roll it out. the pitch was, uh, "not well received" would be putting it extremely lightly. it was panned so fucking extremely, they had to put out this newsblog which included the remarkably tortured phrase "Not For Tranquility"

which is the early strand of what leads us to this particular little "gem". it's hard to get specific details because they're fairly tight-lipped about internal processes and shit, so the following is definitely heavily conjecture. hilmar didn't want to break up with his bae, and kept pushing trying to keep this alive, somehow. whether the drive for this is also tied up with the Pearl Abyss acquisition some years prior is unclear (but Black Desert Online players all cried wolf when PA bought CCP, and said to expect increasing financial fuckery). what does appear to be the case is that a number of developers (possibly the pro-NFT among them) got sequestered off to the Special Project that became this thing, along with the a16z money a while back. the general feeling in the eve:o community is still largely "get fucked", and this project is likely to be double-stillborn (on account of dead kriptoes and an unwanted game/product)

I look forward in earnest to see just how dead it is on arrival

[0] - it took less than 2mo from the "would you like to play a fps in the eve universe? what would you want in it? what do you normally do in eve? what would you do in an eve-universe fps? why would you want your eve ...." survey going out to the announcement "hey surprise! we have an fps!"[1]

[1] - again. they've failed a few times, with multiples out. ccp product leadership real bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man this company has had some really interesting ideas and then the execution always falters.

I was still subscribed when the first eve-fps crossover they attempted. it seemed great and then for whatever reason a console exclusive with a subscription fee ontop. They didnt get the numbers they were planning for and the whole thing just died on the vine.

They've had some neat tech here and there and the whole experience is great for building out your psychopathy but i lost interest after the Greed Is Good phase of CCCP games started.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I admit, in my haste, I read that link as Marc Andreessen openly announcing they're investing in the Chinese Communist Party, which is slightly funnier than the reality of yet another crypto game.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

In 3 years they will release their NFT game.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I mentioned Severed Heads here as a good band several months ago and was wanting to recommend their album Living Museum, the tapes for their final US tour in 2019, as a good entry point. Anyway, it's up on YouTube. A pleasant hour's boppy industrial pop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Borked link. Possibly unthrottled invidious version

I prefer less pop and bop in my industrial, but I am glad to see anybody else still enjoying this with the word industrial in it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

perhaps Earbitten is more suitable

(now an explosive new reissue)

back in the tapeloop and hitting things days

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah, that works for me. I'll check out some more of them. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I still need to listen to this (I got way too into making backups of various systems, as one does) but severed heads has been such a big part of my FLAC rotation ever since you first mentioned them

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

it’s like a software fidget toy. also I found out how to make the mistake that makes a backup take 5 hours instead of 1.5 minutes (fortunately locally, not on our deployment)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I literally just sat down with coffee to check if the new stubsack needs to be made

brava

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I almost made it but couldn't be arsed to replicate the explanation text

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

there's a Trade Secret I could tell you! (the cross-post or view source buttons, with appropriate mini trimming)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Minor personal annoyance is the lack of link back to the previous thread. But still thanks for the hard / quick work yall.

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