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That Sony retailed for $1300 when it launched
The iPhone goes for $800
The 13 Pro which released around the same time also had USB 3.2g2 and 120hz display. The Pros are clearly a better comparison.
That's not to say Apple's done good or anything, just a super expensive Android device vs the entry iPhone doesn't seem like the best comparison
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Someone should saw off the legs of the techbros that came up with the idea of removing the headphone jacks from phones. Just like the headphone jacks, legs are technologically "superseeded" by cars and electronic wheelchairs.
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OP must be a 12 year old
I have both, and the iOS integration of basic features is insane. Consider examples like… passwords; I’ll get a verification code in a text message or an email and it’ll auto populate and then delete the message. There are so many features like that, which make your phone a seamless part of the “ecosystem.” Android is the opposite. You need an app to do anything and it will require setup and it won’t work every time.
Convenience is what matters. Bootloaders and codecs are not as important as whether my earbuds connect instantly and 100% of the time. A phone should make my life simpler. Etc.
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No one cares. Just use whatever phone you like. This post is extremely cringey.
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I'm about to drop a really dumb question in here:
Why do so many people dislike Apple? I have listed some of my problems with Apple (listed in no particular order):
- Keyboard layout
- I fundamentally disagree with FaceID and would prefer a fingerprint sensor
- Lack of customisation (you can't even hide the finder on MacOS)
- Apple makes it really difficult for people to leave their ecosystem
However, I really don't understand why people, ordinary people, dislike Apple, other than due to being overpriced. I mean I really think physical SIM cards are a thing of the past and less secure than eSIMs since you can't just take a physical SIM out using a pin. Although I heavily dislike the provisioning of USB 2.0 in 2024, the reality is that most of my files, even on my Android device, are transferred via networks. And yes, for the point about battery, I don't particularly care about the battery size as much as I do the battery life. Even then, I always have a charger in my bag. It also helps that I barely use my phone.
Once again, keep in mind this is from someone whose only Apple product is a Macbook.
I can understand hating on Apple as a company, I was furious at how long they took to throw USB-C on things, however, often times people provide arguments that are baseless, as are several "points" listed in this image.
Who cares about a physical capture button? Any professional required to use a camera for a living will not be using an iPhone. Who cares about physical SIM vs eSIM. Hell, I'm an advocate for eSIMs. Who cares about the unlockable bootloader? And really, with modern consumerism, who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
I agree with the 120 Hz point, there is no reason a flagship phone at a a flagship price should not provide a smooth refresh rate. I partially agree with the storage point, however, the vast majority of people do not take advantage of their phone's storage, so why would Apple be competitive here? They try to optimise for profit. I definitely agree with the point about the lack of modern USB. The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack kinda sucks for everyone who owns devices that cannot be used with phones without this jack.
I'm opening to listening to other people's takes and discussing this with them.
#4 is the reason I never bought into apple. Also, the users are a little cultish.
There are a few video on YT from reputable creators highlighting malpratices Apple does on a yearly basis to rip you off in every way imaginable. Louis Rossmann and Hugh Jeffreys have done some "compilation" videos on that topic. To point you to a quick one, search for "Astonishing Anti Repair Pratcices by Apple in the last 15 years" by Hugh. If you value yourself, don't buy Apple products.
They frequently didn't allow me to use copy/paste around 10-15 years ago and I never forgave them for robbing me of such a basic feature. I switched to Android as soon as my iPhone died.
For me it was the pure ridiculousness of trying to pass documents back and forth with one person in the group using a Mac. Maybe Apple is better about universal document file types these days but that was it for me. I was never going to contribute to an ecosystem that created that level of disruption.
who on earth is listening to hi-res wireless audio and not a song off of Spotify, YouTube, etc?
The decision not to include hi-res audio support out of the box is more baffling when you learn that Apple Music in its basic package offers high-quality lossless audio for streaming. Why have this, and make your users jump through extra hoops to take advantage of it?
To answer your overall question, I am one of the Apple dislikers and with me it comes down to openness and customizability (I like to tinker with my electronics and computing devices, and I can do that much better with an Android device), and not wanting most of my money that I spend for the product I'm buying to go to marketing.
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for me the point about being locked into an ecosystem is reason enough.
Some more on that:
- Apple has actively resisted efforts by the EU to standardize
- iPhone doesn't allow you to install apps they haven't approved.
- Apple devices often refuse to interface with non-apple devices despite being physically capable.
- You cannot easily install other OSes on Apple hardware.
- Apple software is almost entirely closed source, and they likely have backdoors everywhere.
I just want to own my phone man
And let's not forget their anticompetitive practices
no you got a point. i think your listed problems are the main problems you can have. with the hefty price and the "elite" vibe they sell in ads and so on, its really easy to hate. hateing apple feels like punching up.
and (most) android users dont realise that instead of beeing in apples eco system they are "trapped" in googles. I apprechiate apple for them not just blatently selling personal data, recorded from my phone. I also think in terms of polish there is no competiton. whoever used both, iphone and android phone, cant deny that ios is just far more polished. everything just works.
I personally dont like the apple proprietary ecosystem, but with no really good open source phone os, they are the best alternative on the marked atm. i dont know about laptops.
How are we trapped in Google? It's a burden to move if I wanted to, but I can interface with everyone except apple just fine.
I think their point is that nearly every other phone is in the Android ecosystem, isn't it?
There isn't really an Android ecosystem if you think about it. All Android devices can seamlessly communicate with Apple devices except maybe when it comes to APK's
Oh. In that sense yeah. But most of us are also trapped on earth under that logic. I do think we need some more competition in the operating system market but I'm not sure who could pull it off. Even Microsoft bounced off of it. There is Graphene but it's a tiny sliver of the market.
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There are more reasons than I have time to type out, but I am a long time mac and iDevice user. What's got me raging lately is how, out of spite over a (justified, imo) EU ruling, apple is refusing to let EU customers access the newest toys in the playground. I'm in the process of transferring over to Android right now, I just havent found the right phone for me, yet.
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i hope i don’t end up with the -4000 mAh battery if i buy the phone
If you had one you could sell it for millions to some thermodynamics denyers.