States are absolved of patent law, so I keep hoping the west coast will make a compact where each state makes a major drug for their state health care plans and they share across.
this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2024
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Oh shit! We're getting Ripperdocs!!!
I firmly think this would be a boon for many people; owning one of these is likely a lifeline that even small town physicians could utilize to dispense drugs freely or cheaply to patients in need.
This is something that I think small-town pharmacies could use to create compounds in cases of drug shortages. I think tools and programs and small labs like what are discussed in the article are a positive force for good; and that they should be not only allowed, but encouraged, for many drugs that are expensive, unavailable to someone in need and can be readily synthesized safely with a basic college level of chemistry training by someone in a pharmacy.
I think the potential risks and downsides are small right now; and I think more of it should be encouraged gently so that we can find out quickly what the flaws and limitations are so that we can put regulatory guardrails around it so that people do not harm themselves.
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I was expecting a NileRed video of him extracting meds from batteries or anal lube or something
And you know what bloody sucks? ADHD meds are one of the few that you can not and probably should not make at home. Why? Without watching the whole video, I can tell you the medication he can't get ahold of is Lisdexamphetamine. The precursor chemicals of which are the same as for Methamphetamine. It's also in the same schedule as opiates. So I'd imagine that even the guy the article is about wouldn't mess around with those publicly, and perhaps even privately as the DEA heavily monitors sales of the precursors.
I'm so fucking sick of the meds that make my brain work being out of stock :(
Try Adzenys.
I like it better than adderall and I haven't experienced any shortage where I am in the states, while friends can't get their Addy.
The shortage is happening internationally. I am in Australia. I would have to pay money to see a psychiatrist again to change meds. I would need to restart a 12 month period where my GP can't be the prescriber.
Prescription medication advertisements are illegal here too, so I think I just extra don't appreciate unsolicited medication advice. I get you're trying to be helpful. However, I did not ask for help.
OK good luck
I've tried enough meds in my life to know which ones work. Vyvanse is the only things that does. But if you mean it genuinely, while it's in stock atm I've been skipping some days a week. I now have a 3 month supply saved up so 🤞
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I remember reading an article a month or two ago about a guy ordering a bunch of precursor amphetamines from China, and the distributor was able to route them through Mexico. He called it "simple" to acquire.
"Simple" for the everyday home chemist? Or "simple" for someone who is already a drug dealer...?
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You wouldn’t pirate a medicine, would you?
You wouldnt' pirate a human thought would you? The basis of this entire sub, that one pile of neurons deserves for life the rights to a computation.
...Are you a bot? Your account is less than a day old and this comment.... almost made sense. But what the heck does this mean?
...that one pile of neurons deserves for life the rights to a computation.
Ideas/art/concepts/recipes/books are just waiting around to be discovered. We as a species discover them or develop them from our shared culture. And a bunch of rich fucks think they should get perpetual rights because they own all the content mills/researchers, regardless of how much the rest of the species would benefit.
I just wrote it because it rhymed with the now memed 2004 anti piracy announcement You wouldn't download a car that was rightfully criticized.
I’m a process chemist. I do this sort of thing for a living.
These guys don’t even know why what they’re suggesting is so dangerous. Do not do any of this.
Yeah that was my first thought too. While I kind of get the spirit of it, in practice this is so absurdly dangerous IMO. Even if someone has the best possible intentions, there are so many things that could go wrong with this, especially if you include things like long-term effects that aren't immediately apparent, or interactions with other drugs, especially if you're taking other home-made pills with potentially unknown ingredients. While it can be frustrating to hear about a promising new medicine that won't be available for years, there's a reason why they spend so long testing these things.
IMO the better (but much more difficult) solution is reforming the medical industry so that it's easier for people to see a doctor and actually afford to get medicine. I'm not usually a fan of big government stuff, but medicine is one of those things that just needs to be kept under supervision I think.
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I think these guys might be able to hack through the process and get stuff done and think getting other people to follow them will be trivial as well. But just because they didn't mess up, doesn't mean other people won't. A large majority might end up hurting themselves if they follow in their route.
That’s the thing. They have no way of even knowing if they messed up! I’m not even sure the way they could be messing up is a thing they know they should be worried about.
I mean if you're going to die without access, roll the dice.
Or if your access would be bullshit constrained.
Endocrinologists fuck up hormone dosages on a regular enough basis that transfems will buy the estrogen powder, convert to injectable solution, and do it themselves.
Okay and that happens with OTC medications, too. I have a family member who's solution to everything is a *pill. Always taken in half or double, triple, quadruple dosages. Older and runs to the doctor for a sneeze too.
You can lead a jackass to water, but you can neither make them drink nor prevent them from drowning. Or in this instance, giving themselves hyponatremia.
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I'm a quality chemist. I test the API's that process chemists make to be sure they're right. Yeah, reactions don't always proceed as intended. These guys do understand the risks, and are only trying to provide an option. Here in the US the insurance companies are perfectly willing to let us die because funding expensive treatment hurts their bottom line. Unless you're independently wealthy, a small scale reactor at home may become the only option a person has available. Definitely risky, but why not take the chance when corporate America has determined you're not valuable enough to save?
Quite frankly, the contamination from pesticide and polluted air, water and dirt on everyday foods (and of course my herbs) are a bigger concern. They're ubiquitous and unavoidable, now, thanks to big business and apathetic, time-constrained, overworked individuals. So I'm not that concerned by home remedies, although I really only trust my own. Some herbalists/root medics add turpentine to their remedies, for internal use. So I'll stick to my own or vetted suppliers.
I’m not disputing the reasoning behind why this is important. But “it is important” does not imply that their solution is the right one.
The "right one" would be open access by governments. But that's socialism, and bad for reasons ($$$$).
But the right solution is inconstitutional and anti-corporate! Even socialist and maybe even "woke"! So, this is the option TPTB are leaving us with.
Don't like it? The second most useful thing to do compared to this is to ready your guillotine. That is the language they understand.
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There really should be better options, but it's where this country is currently at, where some home chemistry is something people would have to consider. You're right, it's dangerous and certainly has a lot of risks. With some background in it myself and access to resources that the general public doesn't have, I would still be hesitant to try something I'd cooked up in the basement at home. But, I'm also not at the point where I'm going to die from a treatable but unaffordable disease.
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Hey guys, many other countries have figured out that healthcare doesn't have to be a privatized, for-profit nightmare. Perhaps that's an option worth exploring.
Isn't medical tourism a thing in the US too; like you can fly to a developing country, get your treatment done by top specialists there and fly back to US and the cost would still be lower than what it would have taken to do in home country.
Oh yeah that should be cheap considering Cuba is right around the corner, for example.
It has been popular. People were traveling out of country for joint replacements. Costs were less for travel, surgery, and recovery than what they would pay for it here. Covid put a damper on travel for a couple years, so not sure if it's still as popular. I would consider it if/when I need knee replacements done. Considering what I've heard about the quality issues of joint replacements in the US, I don't want one here.
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Haha, what?!? That's crazy talk!
Plenty have been fighting for it, but there's an uphill battle against "but that's socialism and socialism is evil!" and those that personally benefit financially who stand in the way.
Oh, I agree it won't be easy, particularly when taking profits from rich people.
I've heard it likened to a house full of asbestos. Knock it all down and there's likely to be collateral damage, but meticulously taking it apart will take a considerable amount of time. I feel it would be easiest for governments to purchase the insurance companies, then slowly amalgamate so it's all one network open to everyone.
Also it's a bit entertaining when someone opposes it because "it's socialism". It's already socialism, you just have middlemen skimming profit off the top while providing little value.
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Wouldn't "right to repair" regarding medicine just be universal healthcare?
Most people in right to repair states/countries still bring their iPhone to someone to fix (though they have the right to fix it themselves just as people I guess have the right to try to fix themselves rather than go to a doctor).
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