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cross-posted from: https://r.nf/post/1771956

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Wow, there is approximately 2 people in these comments that actually read the article.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I see many issues with that / for them.

But I'm not against experimenting and finding out. We maybe need some free and open monetizing options, maybe also ad platforms. That would give people some more options, instead of relying on Google and Apple all the time.

Please just make it respect user privacy, be FLOSS and categorize the Apps, so it's clear to me what is and what isn't licensed Free Software.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

It's always about Ads...

Oh, they start off as unobtrusive; maybe a little banner that shows when the app is opening, or a written mention with a link.

But, this doesn't generate much revenue. Next the banner persists, and suddenly a video plays. Just one, just once.

Eventually you open the app to pop up banners and autoplay videos, and wonder where the app is. Every line you cross with adverts makes the next line easier to cross.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Everyone here is bummed out, but fails to see the upside.

To rival the Play Store, there needs to be an alternative package manager on Android which hosts proprietary apps.

The outcome is a decrease in Googles revenue and eases the hold they have on Android as a Play Store dependant operating system.

If F-Droid didn't step up, Epic would be the only contender to the Play Store. At least this way we know there will be some degree of democracy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't even read this as allowing proprietary apps. They are investigating allowing different monetarisation methods for open source apps and building open source tooling to help with that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

My bad, poor choice of wording on my part.

When I'm talking about proprietary in this context, I don't mean closed source, I mean it as in the financial sense of not being copy-left, or under any sort of licence which permits free adoption of their code.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

Damn, never thought I'd live to see the enshittification of F-Droid. I definitely won't be using it anymore if this happens.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

After reading that post, this sounds mostly like a whole lot of tracking. At that point I think I'll just use the Play Store lol, it has more selection if I'm going to have the same level of privacy anyway

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess most won't bother to read the full post and will instead react negatively to the title. Having read the entire thing I am fine with it and would be happy to see more direct competition for the Play Store. The ad thing is only a problem if the store doesn't include a filter to easily hide ad-supported apps.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I guess most won't bother to read the full post and will instead react negatively to the title.

Exactly, it talks about ads in one paragraph of a very long post, and it's mostly to talk about all the problems that an ad revenue model has for FOSS!

Honestly people need to RTFArticle. It's talking about the result of interviews with developers on how they would prefer to be compensated, not definitive plans for what is or is not going to be allowed in F-Droid in the future.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Haven't used F-Droid since I started using GrapheneOS on my Pixel lol. Just use Obtainium.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I never expected this. What a shame.

Edit: the ads part are not an acceptable add-on for me, as someone who respects privacy and foss. I don't know of a single foss payment processor (lmk if one exists). A lot of people here are saying "pay what you want", but it's that way now, with GitHub donation links; we don't need this in the fdroid app.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They want to add paid apps where you need to make a payment before getting access to the App. It's not the same as the current donate approach

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, I understood what they're trying to do. As far as I know, there are no foss payment processors, so adding a non-foss one would defy fdroid's current foss-first approach.

Then, people on this post's comments are saying that they would be good with a "pay what you can/want" concept, but, again, that's already the case with donations. It's literally how donations work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think Fdroid is so large to be able to create something such as a Foss payment processor. If they could do that, it would be awesome.

The GNU foundation is working on GNU taler. But, it's not adopted by any known bank, or fintech company.

Then, people on this post's comments are saying that they would be good with a "pay what you can/want" concept, but, again, that's already the case with donations. It's literally how donations work.

The slight difference being its present on a source repository/website and is optional. Instead of being tightly integrated in the app like they desire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

GNU Taler looks neat. Hopefully it will take off.

The optional part of the donation payments is what makes them a donation. It can be a fund page, like the buymeacoffee, if the git link is too complicated (which it can be for some).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I can't see this go well for them.

I get the idea. I also get not wanting to restrict devs and hence offering all kinds of payment options. But I cannot see this be visible for them given their target audience.

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