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I saw this post today on Reddit and was curious to see if views are similar here as they are there.

  1. What are the best benefits of self-hosting?
  2. What do you wish you would have known as a beginner starting out?
  3. What resources do you know of to help a non-computer-scientist/engineer get started in self-hosting?
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  1. less is more, it's fine to sunset stuff you don't use enough to afford them using cpu cycles, memory and power
  2. search warrants are a real thing and you should not trust others to use your infrastructure responsibly because you will be the one paying for it if they don't.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Is there a story attached to no. 2?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

It is much easier to buy one "hefty" physical machine and run ProxMox with virtual machines for servers than it is to run multiple Raspberry Pis. After living that life for years, I'm a ProxMox shill now. Backups are important (read the other comments), and ProxMox makes backup/restore easy. Because eventually you will fuck a server up beyond repair, you will lose data, and you will feel terrible about it. Learn from my mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • you do not need kubernetes
  • you do not need anything to be „high availability”, that just adds a ton of complexity for no benefit. Nobody will die or go broke if your homelab is down for a few days.
  • tailscale is awesome
  • docker-compose is awesome
  • irreplaceable data gets one offsite backup, one local backup, and ideally one normally offline backup (in case you get ransomwared)
  • yubikeys are cool and surprisingly easy to use
  • don’t offer your services to other people until you are sure you can support it, your backups are squared away, and you are happy with how things are set up.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not needing Kubernetes is a broad statement. It allows for better management of storage and literally gives you a configurable reverse-proxy configured with YAML if you know what you're doing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Heavy disagree on the storage statement from what I've used and seen but it works for lots of people so not going to detract. NFS is always a pain but longhorn seems to have advantages

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but you don't need Kubernetes from the start.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Well I guess podman works fine for the first few months. Interestingly I still use build-ah heavily for building my custom images

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

To piggy back on your “You don’t need k8s or high availability”,

If you want to optimize your setup in a way that’s actually beneficial on the small, self hosted scale, then what you should aim for is reproducibility. Docker compose, Ansible, NixOS, whatever your pleasure. The ability to quickly take your entire environment from one box and move it to another, either because you’re switching cloud providers or got a nicer hardware box from a garage sale.

When Linode was acquired by Akamai and subsequently renamed, I moved all my cloud containers to Vultr by rsyncing the folder structure to the new VM over SSH, then running the compose file on the new server. The entire migration short of changing DNS records took like 5 minutes of hands-on time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I have a k3s cluster for fun and I can admit that k8s is way too complicated.

I don't want to dig hours through documentation to find what I'm looking for. The docs sometimes feel like they were written for software devs and you should figure part of the solution yourself.

I have a ExternalName service that keeps fucking up my cluster everytime it restarts, bringing down my ingresses, because for some reason it doesn't work and I have no idea where to look at to figure out why it doesn't work - I just end up killing the service and reapplying the yaml file and it works.

I had to diagnose why my SSL certificates would get stuck in "issuing" in cert-manager, had to dig through 4 or 5 different resources until I got to an actual, descriptive error message telling me that I configured my ClusterIssuer wrongly.

I wanted a k3s cluster to learn but every time I have issues with it I realize it's a terrible idea.

I wish I had podman + compose but it does seem like a docker-compose is more complicated. Also, I wish I could do ansible but I have no idea where to start (nor how it works).

EDIT: oh yeah I also lost IPv6 support because k3s by default doesn't enable v6 and I was planning on using Hetzner CCM to have a 2 node cluster until I realized Hetzner Networks don't support v6.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ansible is so simple yet so elegant.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I just moved everything from vultr to self host because of their latest changes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

EDIT: As I suspected, the changes that u/mesamunefire is referencing are the ones that taken out of context awhile back and incorrectly assumed to apply to user VPS’ and the data on them, which is not the case. Those terms only apply to information posted publicly to their website, like the community forums.

What changes would those be

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1boz5ne/vultr_new_tos_claims_all_commercial_rights_to/ " You hereby grant to Vultr a non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid-up, worldwide license (including the right to sublicense through multiple tiers) to use, reproduce, process, adapt, publicly perform, publicly display, modify, prepare derivative works, publish, transmit and distribute each of your User Content, or any portion thereof, in any form, medium or distribution method now known or hereafter existing, known or developed, and otherwise use and commercialize the User Content in any way that Vultr deems appropriate, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties, for purposes of providing the Services to you."

And you could not opt out. You had to click agree in order to login. That's the biggest one.

It was later removed after the fact but there were other changes that sucked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I had customer data as well as some personal stuff on a couple of servers. It was low hanging fruit so I just started self hosting. It's silly how much rights they suddenly wanted. Not worth the hassle, they just provide basic boxes to begin with.

They also would not let you login without accepting those new rights now were you able to opt out. So I just threw my infa on some local systems, deleted everything and then had to say yes to their TOS. Again silly and great way to lose business.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Can't speak for OP, but I bailed on Vultr because of how they handled the arbitration agreement change. Basically, I couldn't access my containers without accepting the new TOS, so I "hacked" the website with Inspect Element so I could access support to close my account. For me, the arbitration change wasn't the issue (my current host has similar policies), but being forced to accept a new TOS to use my account. I had no option do disagree or "remind me later," I literally only had an "accept" button. I refuse to use any service that treats me like that.

I'm now with Hetzner, so we'll see if they pull that nonsense. I only use the VPS to get around my ISP's CGNAT (WireGuard VPN w/ HAProxy at the edge to route domains), so if they pull the same nonsense, I'll copy my config to another VPS.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For 2.: use dns-01 challenge to generate wildcard SSL certs. Saves so much time and nerves.

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