"Eh fuck it, let him roll them dice"
- this cop, probably
this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2024
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
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to be fair if I was on a ladder and got to the top and there was a dude pointing a gun at me, I could be the most elite warrior there is and still know the best option is retreat.
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This seems to be the right-wing's main angle of attack on this issue. Seeing how forcefully they're pushing this fact across social media I'm kind of resistant to going along with any narrative they are trying to build from it until more facts come out.
I saw the interview with the guy who said he saw the shooter and he came off as kind of a doofus, he more or less said the extent they went to alert anyone was just pointing. You've got to remember that this was a rally for some deeply stupid people, I'm sure it adds to the security difficulties to have to suss out what's just idiots being idiots and what is useful info.
I think the reality is more simple; people overestimate the abilities of the Secret Service. I am sure they're experts and highly trained, but they're still human, and the mythos around their abilities is likely overblown to an extent. History has shown that if someone is determined enough, they can get close to the president if they want.
Cop: Pardon me sir....
Shooter: Points gun
Cop: Ah, I see you're a busy white man, Ill leave you to it.
He probably assumed he knew the guy from a Patriot Front march and didn't realize who the intended target would be.
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That link no longer mentions police, but here’s another news article about it:
So, after this incident with Trump, does anybody really think the best solution to political violence is to allow more people at political rallies to carry guns? Sounds stupid, right? Because thats basically the response with every other shooting.
Wasn't the shooter stopped by people with guns? Sounds like Repub gun regulations working as they're supposed to.
A sniper that's hired to shoot active threats is a bit different from a rally-goer with a .22 who target shoots once a month.
I think most rally-goers will be carrying 9mm.
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Officer was actually based. "I don't see nothing wrong here, carry on citizen"
Are you advocating for murdering political opponents? Sounds like fascism.
Given the source, circumstance, and failure it's likely false flag. Congrats you're one of the dupes.
Is this what they refer to as BlueAnon?
That's pretty good
All of these comments saying it's a false flag and staged feel like pure copium
Unfortunately
At the end of the day the real issue is Biden is not polling well. Now is the perfect time for Biden to step aside. It would change the news cycle and get people energized into the final stretch.
No those are crayon eating morons.
I guess only if you'd consider the founders of the US fascist. if one really, truly believes that Trump is really, truly the end of the Republic and the start of a regime of Christian fascism, isn't this the whole reason the founders gave us the second amendment? Sic semper tyrannis, the tree of liberty must be watered and all that?
Imho, it's a moot point, the Republic is already dead, the people behind P2025 and the support network behind the Christian Fascism movement aren't going to simply vanish in a puff of smoke if Trump loses or something happens to him. They'll just pick someone else and keep coming back until they get the levers of government. I don't think political violence changes anything except how we shamble into fascism.
If Christians are the reason fascism is winning, shouldn't the Democrats be proposing legislation to tax the church and to label Christianity a domestic terrorist organization? I'm of the belief fascism is actually a minority position, but that Democrats put their worst candidate forward and then try to argue that you're not voting for the candidate but against fascism. It might be a winning strategy, one time. This is not the first time though.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
How does that play out in this particular scenario?
You apologists are fucking cowards. ACAB!
They should do better but that doesn't mean we don't need law enforcement.
prove it.
I don't know where you live, but visiting your courthouse, watching trials and seeing the evidence and crimes people do in your area can be eye opening too. You have to ask yourself... without police, would there be more crime? Some places the answer may be no. I get that. Where I live, crime would be much more rampant.
law enforcement doesn't require the police
Police is law enforcement.
How is it law enforcement to show up hours after a crime and refuse to file a report?
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police are the bottom tier of law enforcement AND they don't even have to know the laws when they are FORCING you to comply
ask anyone with any experience in the other tiers of law enforcement and you might get a good idea of what law enforcement is
I acknowledge a majority of police are blatantly in a position to do as thy will without any repercussions. There are a lot of bad judges too. I am not a fan of the issues, but we also have good judges and good cops, and places where the system is working as intended (for the most part). I have a hard time believing that getting rid of all law enforcement would be a good thing. I know there are people that like this concept, but there are gangs and groups of people that just want power themselves and to enforce their own concept of judgement and control without repercussions.
the police is not all law enforcement
police are a modern creation. civilized society can exist without the police. In the USA, police weren't even a thing until 1838
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"Not my flees, not my circus!" Declare local police after any event that would make them relevant and justify their budget.
It’s actually “fleas” but “flees” is kinda fitting.
Local police shouldn't be the ones protecting the presenditial candidates, they should be protecting the crowd. Secret Service is there for the candidate.
I think local police are assigned to these events to augment SS in protecting whoever they are protecting.
Bingo. They are not there have a good time. The event paid for police presence for the permit to hold the event and likely required by many laws on crowd size and insurance policy.
Alright, do what did this cop do to protect the crowd? I do believe at least once person in the crowd died.
He investigated the report that there was a shooter on the roof?
And if the report above is correct, he Thesaw a person with a gun, tucked his tail between his legs and ran.
In this thread we have heard "no big deal, it's the Secret Service's job to protect Trump." We have also heard "it's local police's job to protect the crowd."
Perchance did you see the Secret Service's response to gun shots? A half dozen of them ran into the line of fire and surrounded the person they were charged to protect.
The cop saw a gun, knew there were hundreds of people in harm's way and scarpered. While the secret service put themselves in harms way to do their jobs.
"retreated down the ladder" is all the information we have to go on - presumably the cop was still climbing the ladder - really hard to draw your sidearm and incapacitate someone who has a rifle trained on you while simultaneously holding on to a ladder
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"Yeah turns out that report was spot on! Anyway, where the donuts at?"
Considering the circumstances I'd argue he's one of the few cops to protect and serve. Really the secret service here who dropped the ball. Coulda let em have a second go.