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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At the level of humanity as a species we are born to reproduce, like every other living thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't care about the species, I care about the people. If someone doesn't want to reproduce, it's better for both them and the species that they don't. People only reproducing when they personally get something out of it will eventually make future generations enjoy it more. Forcing it just promotes suffering, perpetuating the cycle of unhappy parents in the long run.

This whole idea of caring about furthering our "species" is eugenics anyways. My genes make me want to be a parent, but I understand that the genes themselves don't matter for shit. I'm planning to have kids because I will enjoy raising them and helping them live full lives. If someone doesn't share this desire, I'm not gonna force my preference onto them.

Freedom and treating humans with dignity does that very job of eugenics better than the eugenics notion of pressuring people to be parents. There's no Darwinian excuse for being shitty to other people. Just be good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

There's no Darwinian excuse for being shitty to other people.

Exactly. There's even an evolutionary reason to be good to other people, as described by Pjotr Kropotkin in "Mutual Aid".

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Antinatalism is the first law of robotics, reduced to absurdity. It answers the question by forgetting why you asked it in the first place.

Yes, it does eliminate human suffering. However, it does so in the same way that a bullet to the head cures a headache.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Stupid people have the most kids, that's how you know the world is full of idiots. Ocassionaly though you meet a really nice humble person that will make you think positive towards people again atleast for a while... Even better if you carry their torch and continue with those good vibes towards others. Gives you that touch of there's genuinely good people still out there. Its refreshing.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think most people simply don’t appreciate what having a child is and what a massive responsibility it is. Bringing another human being into this world is a gift, one that you should be expected to nurture and love no matter what.

The problem is that many believe that a child is simply an extension of oneself and can be manipulated and contorted into whatever the parent wants. A child is not you, a child is not a free workforce, or laborer. Too many people who do not truly understand what they are bringing into this world are parents and thats why theres so many flawed individuals.

I think most people shouldnt have children and especially right now with the way the worlds headed but to say having children is completely wrong is immensely stupid.

(in addition i myself am abstaining from having children because i dont want the responsibility and i find the lil shits annoying.)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (15 children)

I think most people simply don’t appreciate what having a child is and what a massive responsibility it is.

I think you're talking out of your own ass, if you believe that most parents don't know all that.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If only bad people have children, what will happen?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Well, you don't, but to answer your question: all the other, alive people.

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