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My original question was "How do we disincentivize the purchase of pickup trucks/SUVs" but then I thought it would be better to approach the larger problem of car dependency and car ownership. One option is, of course, to create public transit infrastructure and improve it where it already exist. This, however, doesn't change the fact that some will still choose to drive. What would be the best ways to discourage people from owning personal cars?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Spend trillions on infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Basically this. Make it so that people live in places conducive to not owning a car. If people live places where it is miles between their needs and there is no accessible form of alternative transport, you're stuck with cars.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

An even more highly infectious and dangerous pandemic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

wouldn't that discourage public transport?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't part of the assignment. We have pretty good data suggesting it has the potential to reduce car usage, and so eventually ownership if it were persist. Keep eating animals and we get to find out!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Imho the best policy is to require a permanent parking space close to the main residence of the person owning the car. With permanent access I mean that the space is only to be used for the car and has to be either rented or owned by the person using it. This is rather easy to do in a rural setting, but much harder the more urban the area becomes.

The next part is making access worse for cars. Place parking further away from interesting destinations then bicycle parking and public transport access. Like having bicycle racks right next to the shop doors. That also includes just removing parking as much as possible. Besides handicap spots obviously. Also modal filters to block cars to move through certain streets, but allow bicycles and pedestrians to use those. That can also mean one directional roads.

Slow down cars as much as possible. When cars are as fast as bicycles, cars loose a massive advantage. This has to be done using built infrastructure and not just street signs, but those are an important start. So narrow roads, little viewing space and speed bumps. Also traffic lights are a good option. Give priority to other forms of transport(default green for pedestrians and bicycles for example).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the first point makes it sound like you either don't want cities or you love vast amount of space being wasted. it would just be more reasons for developers to not build homes and new businesses, while also complete inflating parking lots everywhere.

instead, scrap the bit in zoning laws where businesses have to allocate space and funds for parking lots in their designs. denser setting incentivizes walking or biking. in line with this, make mixed use development more apparent-- shops on bottom floor with apartments on top. capitalism will say to developers that they could fit another 2 or 3 stores in a lot that was previously going to be dedicated to parking

reduce the number of road lanes and make them narrower in cities while opting for curb-raised and separated bike paths. ditch the grid based road map for a more natural one. the visual clutter on and around the road will make drivers go slow. ensure there is proper daylighting for points of conflict. get large trucks back onto rural roads, and incentivize, both to consumers and corporations, a return of small vehicles. we should be able to find a happy medium where if you need a car, be it for hauling furniture or going on a camping trip, it should still be convenient enough to do so.

let there be a priority bus or emergency vehicle lane in the center of the road. that way busses and emergency vehicles don't get stuck behind any car traffic

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

to developers that they could fit another 2 or 3 stores in a lot that was previously going to be dedicated to parking

That is exactly my point. Underground parking adds 35-50% to a mid rise building construction cost. That means people have the choice between larger or cheaper units without a parking spot and more expensive ones with a parking spot. Even with underground parking mid rise buildings are already cheaper then single family housing. Especially ifthe area we are talking about has high land prices, like pretty much every city.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

Good public transportation, good bike roads, a train system that works well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Step 1: defeat the car lobby Step 2: take over city land use planning Step 3: allocate trillions to city road design Step 4: allocate trillions to to public transportation Step 5: adjust the culture to accept commercial near residential Step 6: ? Step 7: you know the rest

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

replace public parking with green spaces, add more barriers to slow cars down in high pedestrian traffic areas, and more goddamn trains.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Make everyone use bikes

RIP people with busted knees I guess

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No-one who seriously considers the issue thinks all cars should be done away with.

Cities designed for pedestrians can still be made to accommodate accessibility vehicles, and even more importantly, emergency vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

except there are a lot of people who don't seriously consider the issue here (online in general).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

There are ebikes that don't require pedaling, even some that are more like tiny cars with a roof and doors, etc.

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