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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I read an interesting take on some site and it said that we are leaving Capitalism for Feudalism where the kings are now big Companies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I believe the theory goes something along the lines of feudalism being centered about renting (ie land) and with manafacture that shifted to a product-based economy. With time, renting has regained dominance and is reaching a whole new level now that most capital is tied up in the cloud (AWS, azure etc.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Kind of. American Proletarians have a unique position of enjoying the benefits of a super-exploited class of domestic immigrants paid lower wages via threat of deportation, and Imperialistic hegemony, but are also enslaved by vast amounts of debt. This is very different from standard Capitalism, but not quite feudalism. It depresses the revolutionary potential of the American Proletariat for as long as Imperialism is the status quo.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

I do think that every cultures political system is structured the way that it is for a reason. Based off the history and experiences of the peoples of that country.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Read Marx, everyone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

SCOTUS got you covered, fam. The new King-Maker ruling by the regressives should get us back there in no time flat!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

In contrast to a monarchy, where people cannot choose their leader, in capitalism people can choose from which company they buy, or even create their own.

As another person already pointed out, these are obviously two different categories.

The question then is, why do people choose the way they do, both when buying and when running a company? To me it seems, they don't because of some external pressure (like monarchy requires).

The point can be summed up as a question: Why don't people run (more) non-capitalist services and productions, and why don't they prefer them when looking to satisfy their demand?

These non-capitalist things exist, it's certainly possible. But as far as I know, they are all very niche. Like a communal kitchen, some solidary agriculture or housing project. Heck, entire villages of this kind exist.

So the alternative is there, but it requires actual commitment and work. I don't see how capitalism could be abolished in an armed uprising (in contrast to monarchy). But it can be replaced by alternative projects. Partially. Why are they so small and few?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

The question then is, why do people choose the way they do, both when buying and when running a company? To me it seems, they don't because of some external pressure (like monarchy requires).

The ideas that people have are shaped by their Material Conditions, and people generally act in their best interests. People will buy what is available in the market, and Capitalists work to accumulate more and more money in an M-C-M' circuit.

The point can be summed up as a question: Why don't people run (more) non-capitalist services and productions, and why don't they prefer them when looking to satisfy their demand?

These are 2 questions.

  1. People generally don't run Socialist services as frequently because in the framework of Capitalism, it is excessively difficult to gain the Capital necessary to start one, and furthermore the people with access to Capital continue to act in their own interests and accumulate more profit off of ownership.

  2. People do not care where their commodities come from, largely, as they work for their income and thus their access is limited by the money they have.

These non-capitalist things exist, it's certainly possible. But as far as I know, they are all very niche. Like a communal kitchen, some solidary agriculture or housing project. Heck, entire villages of this kind exist.

This is known as Mutual Aid, which is a big cornerstone of Anarchism. The issue is that Anarchism generally relies on individuals making the right decisions due to their horizontal structures and has issues with scaling horizontally. These structures tend to have great success locally, such as Food Not Bombs feeding people, but without strong organization scaling becomes difficult and action becomes unfocused.

So the alternative is there, but it requires actual commitment and work. I don't see how capitalism could be abolished in an armed uprising (in contrast to monarchy). But it can be replaced by alternative projects. Partially. Why are they so small and few?

Why don't you think Capitalism could be abolished via revolution? It's been done before.

Secondly, it is not simply capable of being replaced entirely via parallel systems because that depends on individuals outcompeting the immense resources of the Bourgeoisie. It's certainly possible at a local level, but at a state level takes enourmous power and unity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is my personal opinion without any real evidence than my experience and knowledge of what I read somewhere:

  1. People are stupid and lazy mostly. The education is going down for most industrial countries. Changing habits is stressful and avoided if possible.

  2. Manipulation works. Media and advertisements successfully change people behaviour without them noticing. If you put enough money into a campaign people think they are responsible for your co2 emissions.

  3. As long as you don't drive people too fast and too deep into an existential crisis they will tolerate a lot!

  4. The system is rigged. People who are honest and social are pushed down. While greedy and lying people are being pushed on top.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
  1. Why are people stupid and lazy? Is this a new thing? Why are conditions worsening?

  2. Correct.

  3. Correct.

  4. Kinda vibes-based but strikes the target. It's less that lying is encouraged, but that profit drives the system and money greases its wheels. Follow the dollar.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

To first:

Take your average Joe and think how dumb he is. Then remember that half of the people are even dumber.

People have always been lazy. Children are not that lazy but usually the school system kills most encouragement kids had.

Just check how much money the government has invested into education over the past 50 years. For Germany at least they have cut the money on education for years instead of investing into the children.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I mean that's the rub right? Enlightenment liberalism clawed its way out of the corpse of feudalism. Marx assumed communism would do the same thing to the corpse of capitalism. So far he's just been wrong, at least in terms of the revolutionary/vanguardism model. That's why there's been an entire century of revision to that model to incorporate more democratic forward values. It's just you average internet leftist refuses to acknowledge this, because the fan service isn't as good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

In what manner has Marx been wrong? Where in the history of Marxism has democracy not been core to the central ideas of it, especially when compared to Capitalism?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

That's why there's been an entire century of revision to that model to incorporate more democratic forward values

How is a representative election every 4 years in a system where mass media are owned by the capitalist class more democratic than the ideas of Marx? The Soviet Union started out as the name implies, as a union of republics in which soviets, or worker councils, had the decision power. The fact that international interference and civil war (such as 14 countries invading the USSR militarily and many more sponsoring the tsarist loyalists or the anti-revolutionary Mensheviks) didn't allow for a high degree of work democracy without extreme risk to the stability or the country, has more to do with the material and historical conditions of the USSR than it has to do with the ideas of Marx and Lenin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Part of the problem is that, while Marx writes well regarding the economic flaws of capitalism, he isn't as good at writing about the politics of change.

When induced by the body politic, we see that some of the economic surplus can be reallocated to the workers provided there is political pressure. It can come in the form of state backed rights, progressive taxation, and even direct welfare payments.

It probably isn't the perfect system Marx envisioned, but enlightened liberalism is able to make subtle shifts over time in a way that absolute monarchies can't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

What problems are there with the solutions he gives? Welfare Capitalism solves none of the problems with Capitalism Marx describes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Your comment portrays a lack of reading of Marxist literature. Lenin, as far back as 1916, talks about this surplus being reallocated to workers through political pressure. He describes the leftists who pursue this as "opportunist socialists", and explains why this is only possible in imperialist countries which exploit the resources and labor of other countries. It's why basically all socialist revolutions have taken place in less developed countries, whether it be democratically like Chile under Allende or Spain and its second republic and Iran under Mosaddegh, or a coup as happened in Libya, or a bloody revolution as in the USSR or Cuba.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We agree that the current situation won't change itself, and change to this system from inside of it would likely be stifled and repressed.

I agree that we need to keep trying to find a better way, because there are many people are will certainly keep trying to make things worse for us.

The first step is a better way to communicate between ourselves about what we want, why we want it, and how to enact our intentions.

With the advent and use of the internet we now have the possibility for a new way to organize our collective wants.

This system, which I call a consensus engine, would let us as a species make long term goals and work towards their fruition. Without some way to communicate that is less sustainable to misinformation I don't see any way we can get out of this into something better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Now everyone can understand why Twitter is being dismantled

#Metoo ruffled some feathers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You've described liberal democracy. The combination of individual freedom plus democracy is supposed to provide a framework for curating precisely the kind of political agency you describe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They've described the opposite. A collective, grassroots, democratic institution in which people can freely discuss their thoughts and political opinions and direct the policy of their country in that way, is less reminiscent of top-down political parties with representatives voted every 4 years as in liberal democracy, and more reminiscent of worker democracy or direct democracy as anarchists or communists defend.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

They described democracy as implemented through parliaments.

You are describing the US implementation's flaws.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

the bottom picture would look pretty cool in a shaun video

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