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The topic of self-hosted cloud software comes up often but I haven't seen anyone mention owncloud infinite scale (the rewrite in Go).

I started my cloud experience with owncloud years ago. Then there was a schism and almost all the active devs left for the nextcloud fork.

I used nextcloud from it's inception until last year but like many others it always felt brittle (easy to break something) and half baked (features always seemed to be at 75% of what you want).

As a result I decided to go with Seafile and stick to the Unix philosophy. Get an app that does one thing very well rather than a mega app that tries to do everything.

Seafile does this very well. Super fast, works with single sign on etc. No bloat etc.

Then just the other day I discovered that owncloud has a full rewrite. No php, no Apache etc. Check the github, multiple active devs with lots of activity over the last year etc. The project seems stronger than ever and aims to fix the primary issues of nextcloud/owncloud PHP. Also designed for cloud deployment so works well with docker, should be easy to configure via docker variables instead of config files mapped into the container etc.

Anyways, the point of this thread is:

  1. If you never heard of it like me then check it out
  2. If you have used it please post your experiences compared to NextCloud, Seafile etc.
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I had a horrible experience with nextcloud on a pi. I have a great experience on a good server. It stores files. It does that very well for me. Clients work reliable.

Nextcloud apps are sometines good and sometimes not. It can do everything. One should let navidrome serve music and not nextcloud. Mealie is for recipes. Jellyfin for videos and immich for images. Paperless for documents.

Nextcloud is file storage, backup, syncing and maybe collab. That's what I expect and that's what I get.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I had NextCloud on a Ryzen 3600 with NVME zfs array. While faster that my previous Intel atom with HDD + SSD cache, Seafile blows it away in terms of speed and resiliency. It feels much more reliable with updates etc.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I wanted to spin up OCIS but for some reason ran in to difficulties with the Docker container. I forget what the issues were, but I already had a solid Nextcloud instance running so I didn't dig very hard. Would like to revisit it some day.

However, since then Owncloud has been bought out, causing some worry.

Edit- Merger info

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Did not know this. Thanks!

Looks like Kiteworks invested in OwnCloud in 2014 and they still seems to be going strong with the OSS development which is a good sign.

This probably explains why there are so many active devs on the project and how they got a full rewrite into version 4 relatively quickly.

Already seems to have more features than Seafile.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I find it really weird that something as simple as the basic functionality of nextcloud seemingly can't be implemented in a stable and lightweight manner.

Nextcloud always seems one update away from self destruction and it prepares for that by hoarding all the resources it can get. It never feels fast or responsive. I just want a way to share files between my machines.

There are other solutions, I know, but they're all terrible in their own way.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Exactly, Seafile is the best I've found so far but a clean re write of the basic sync features would be great.

Seafile for example has full text search locked behind a paywall even though tools like Elasticsearch could be integrated into it for free. Even the android app as filename search locked behind a paywall. You have to log into the website on your phone if you need to search.

Pathetic state of affairs.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I use owncloud infinite scale and overall its rock solid. The downside is the lack of plugins. Nextcloud has been nothing but trouble for me and every update was a mess so I decided to try OCIS and for my need I was extremely satisfied.

Now, I admit, I'm not one to get carried by the drama in the FOSS sphere (still use Gitea) but I do agree there is an history to the separation of owncloud and nextcloud that can make some people uncomfortable. Having a choice is good I believe.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Everyone moved to NextCloud by now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I know, I did as well.

The point of the post is that there is a very active full rewrite of the whole thing trying to ditch all the tech debt that NextCloud inherited from the OG owncloud (php, Apache etc)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Fuck their fucking cookies.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I run seafile, but holy shit do I regret looking at the source code.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There was something wonky with the mapping of OIDC attributes to user properties, so I decided to look at the seahub source and see if it would be easy to fix.

Turns out, the whole thing is held together with hope and spit. Literal beginner code.

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