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    [–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago
    [–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Who uses Gnome these days? i have used the forks Cinnamon or MATE, since gnome shell was introduced.

    It's great that there're so many good window managers to choose from.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    It's the default for Fedora and I think Debian too but don't quote me on the second one.

    Me I use SUSE which lets me choose what DE to install.

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    [–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    A majority? I mean use something else if you like them better, no need to shit on GNOME

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    [–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Probably most desktop Linux users? ...

    I love gnome. People love KDE but I think it's not very good.

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    [–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I think it's the majority, still. Not sure if that's technically changed to KDE with Steam Decks though.

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Asking "who still uses $thing", where $thing is the most popular thing in its category, is peak Lemmy.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

    I think it's more peak moron. Morons everywhere.

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    [–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    I've quite enjoyed gnome so far. What are your complaints with it? Granted I don't think I have actually used another DE but I genuinely don't run into issues with gnome and the design is good enough imo.

    What's your preferred DE and why?

    [–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    My complaint with Gnome is just one, but it is overbearing: Gnome devs want to decide what is best for you, which stinks and goes against the very fundament of open software. But would not per se be a problem -- If they hadn't also decided that a bunch of things that are considered basic features that every other DE and even other OSes have implemented for the past 20 years are, in fact, unnecessary.

    Consider the humble System Tray.

    Gnome removed the System Tray in favour of a "Control Center". And the Control Center works really well -- For inbuilt Gnome stuff and applications that were written for Gnome. But stuff that is DE agnostic, or god forbid, ported over from another OS? Some of them expect a tray to be there. Have functionality that doesn't work without one. Or do work but are janky. Gnome doesn't offer a system tray. You have to install a third party extension, which would also be fine... Except every time Gnome updates every other third party extension breaks.

    And like, sure, it's not Gnome Devs' job to ensure the operability of third party addons, but that you need them to begin with is a failure. Gnome's attitude towards everything seems to be "$#¨$ you, like just actually go &%$# yourself. You do things our way or you use something else. We have decided these things are useless, if you think they are necessary you are a $&@# and %$#$ you and the horse you rode in on"

    As for my personal favourite DE? KDE Plasma. It's not something I'd ever recommend to a newcomer, but I like it precisely because of how many moving parts it has. I can make my system look, feel, and act just the way I like it. It's like the polar opposite of Gnome really.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Gnome devs want to decide what is best for you

    Rebuttal: I’m extremely fickle, so someone else making choices for me is what I need. In KDE I ~~spent~~ wasted days customizing and just gave up in the end. It’s the same idea as using prettier instead of using your own lint rules: you stop wasting time and just do the thing you’re there to do.

    In general, for configs (linting, neovim, etc), I prefer taking something really good and tweaking the parts I dislike—which is the model GNOME uses. Probabilistically, it’s exponentially likely that your preferences are only a little bit away from someone else—just use their thing and spend 15 minutes tweaking them.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    See, while I understand that the "the system should be invisible and get out of the way so people can do things with their computers" philosophy isn't for me, I entirely understand it as not only valid, but preferred by most people. --

    -- It's just that Gnome's approach to "getting out of the way" is at best counterproductive? I used Gnome for like 3 months in 2022, figured I'd give it a try, I'm always down to try new stuff. And I felt like I was just constantly fighting against it, having to do configuration stuff and install third-party addons not as a funtime activity because I like to make my computer look prettier, but because if I didn't, shit just refused to work. It was only much later that I learned that the reason I had to keep wrestling Gnome is because the peeps behind it had actively decided that the things I needed to do were stupid and didn't need doing.

    You'll see me praising Cinnamon in a different comment. Cinnamon, a cousin of Gnome's born of Gnome 2, is what I'd call a DE that gets out of the way. It doesn't have all the moving parts that KDE does, and that is to its credit. Because it has everything it needs to have and no more but also no less.

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    [–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Oh?! Those app icons not appearing or working properly every once and a while are a gnome problem? Genuinely just thought I was doing something wrong.

    I am not necessarily new to linux as I have distro hopped extensively so I might give KDE plasma a shot as I have heard good things but I am certainly not an expert when It comes to linux. I have only learned enough to keep my games running and my desktop environment clean. Sometimes I will run into an issue I cant fix and just reinstall the OS or try another one lmao.

    I've recently grown quite interested in customizing my DE but was struggling to understand how people do it. Not used to messing with config files and I downloaded themes but didn't know how to install them. It often feels like I simply expected to know a lot of linux knowledge so steps often go unexplained and since I learned how to use linux primarly independantly and through necessary maintenance, there's a lot of of stuff I simply never learned because I did not need to.

    Also what is the difference between a system tray and a control center?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

    Also what is the difference between a system tray and a control center?

    Functionally, there isn't one. Both serve the same ultimate purpose: To be an area where background services and system functionality can be accessed quickly and easily, while staying out of the way of whatever you're doing in the foreground.

    The tray is just an older, arguably more primitive metaphor for the same thing: "Just give every service and app its own icon, and make it so that icon can be clicked to access its options and features". It's simple, but it works.

    The control center is more elegant, like, really, it is. It saves screen real estate and such. Giving you a little scrollable window where every controllable thing has its own little area. But that is contingent on the application itself implementing that functionality. When an application expects an old-fashioned tray, Gnome's control center just tells that app to go $&#* itself, when they could, if they wanted to, just add a corner on the control center for "legacy apps". But they don't wanna, because they think they know better than everyone else.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    In my humble opinion, the system tray is a crutch anyway. But sadly a needed crutch for "legacy" support.

    What does an application need with a tiny icon persistent on screen? Aren't notifications enough to notify the user that something has happened? Why can't it just run in background, and when the user needs it open it up from the taskbar/dock?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

    Oh no, I entirely agree with the system tray being a leftover from an older era. The Control Center is actually super elegant. But it doesn't do to come up with a nicer, more elegant solution while telling all legacy support to go &*&$ itself in the same breath because it's no longer your problem.

    That's some Apple bollocks, and if I wanted to deal with Apple's shit I'd get a Mac.

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

    Easy access to a few key functions is nice, IMO. Though helping someone on their computer and seeing half the taskbar occupied with two dozen system tray icons makes me vomit just a little, so I get it.

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