Very late, but for the love of God, make sure you raise your black child with enough respect for themselves and their race that they'll avoid debating twitter racists. Make sure your router drops requests to 4chan.org! Disable DNS over HTTPS on their devices! Run all their traffic through a proxy, MitM every request for an image and have a chat with them if you start seeing a lot of pfp sized pictures of roman statues. You need your kid to avoid these people the way they should avoid a hot stove.
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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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these guys should really stop using words they don't understand. (i know, in case of the muppet quoted below it's almost impossible.)
lol who the hell gave this a downvote
whoever it was, i clicked the arrow down too, so that person didn't feel so alone.
"Human biodiversity denial." There's a guy who is self-aware about his racism laying the groundwork for pretending he is not.
The net downvotes are the rest of the community frantically whispering "FFS Roko keep our racism on the down-low!"
Roko is also violating their rules of assuming charitably and good faith about everything and going meta whenever possible. Because defending racists and racism is fine, as long as your tone is careful enough and you go up a layer of meta to avoid discussing the object level claims.
Roko's role is mad prophet who just says the loud part ever louder
"a hbd denial movement" sure is a hell of a turn of phrase for "oh fuck. maybe they don't like our weird racist shit, quick everyone PANIC STATIONS"
him referring to lysenkoism in this context is extra weird; the scientific racists and lysenko are but another facets of the antiscientific ignorance
Clearly you need to go up a layer of meta to see the parallels, you aren't a high enough decoupler!
/s just in case, because that's exactly how they would defend insane analogies.
I said in a comment the other day that Roko’s view here is the natural consequence of Yudkowsky’s original naive physical-scientific reductionism. He proceeds from those (abysmally vague but superficially straightforward) premises here. In essence, if everything ultimately reduces to the physical, then when you perform the natural reduction on e.g. the status of black people in modern America, the causes must by physical-biological causes.
The reference to Lysenkoism is perfectly apt on this (stupid) model: attempts to thwart the reduction are merely ideologically driven cludges to the real theory, and the example of Lysenko demonstrates how easy it is for a whole discipline (in this case: biology in the USSR) to fall to that ideology. Liberal (read: communist) biologists are just pandering and making exceptions when they produce their own demonstrations that scientific racism is bunk.
It’s helpful that, for historical and political reasons, i.e. America and modern Europe’s original sins (colonialism and slavery) scientific racism is always waiting in the wings when the Rokos of the world reach their inevitable conclusions. Put it’s important not to conceive of scientific racism as a form of ignorance: it is, rather, an often highly organised political movement devoted to proving and promoting its claims by any means necessary - it is a knowing lie, with the caveat that insofar as scientific racists frequently show that they implicitly know that they lie (with absurd clandestine promotion strategies and revealing statistical sleights-of-hand), it’s rarely clear that they are wholeheartedly aware of it.
chemtrails guy: look at least we're not flat earthers
(chemtrails guy: even if we both agree it's the jews,)
if they did, they would have nothing to say (at least some of them)
if there is a huge split in EA because the rationalists insist on turbo racism it will be hilarious
some commenters in those threads are talking about the New York EAs vs the Berkeley EAs - the former are rich liberals, the latter are rationalist cultists. there are several suggestions that EA needs to expel the rationalists.
the furious defenders of racism^Wfreedom of ideas in those threads don't seem to figure out that they're why the non-racist EAs are suggesting that expelling rationalism from EA is even possible
i mean, they should have done so about a decade ago, because they were only and ever a fucking embarrassment
but now they're being a hugely racist embarrassment, not just a nerd-weird one, and it's harder to spin that
i mean, not that liberals aren't all for a bit of systemic racism, but you can't make it personal like that
Our sessions and guests spanned a wide range of topics: prediction markets and forecasting, of course; but also finance, technology, philosophy, AI, video games, politics, journalism and more.
haha
Our sessions and guests spanned a wide range of topics: grifting and grifting, of course; but also grifting, grifting, racism, grifting, racism, racism, racism and more.
Here's the "what did you like least" survey entries the organizers say they classified as "edgy people":
"all the racism stuff" = "edgy people". Yup.
Where is this from? Sorry if I missed the link in the big watermuddying wall of text.
Bio people here are poorly informed. Just in general some of the presentations are factually incorrect
B-but rationalists are experts at covalent bonds
Also meeting people.... as a woman I have never felt as ignored and disrespected as I have in some instances the pa...
I'm sure the feedback becomes more positive in the cut-off part, no doubt about it
i'm gonna rewrite and expand on that rambling comment someday
Ok I've been giving $25 a month to Effectivealtruism.com for about 5 years now, and my understanding was they predominantly buy mosquito nets and give cash directly. Should I swap to a different charity?
They do buy mosquito nets, although it's unclear that all malaria net charities do so in culturally-appropriate ways where they'll be used as intended. I believe they've stopped with the large grants to deworming charities, which is good, because the effectiveness of deworming programs is extremely controversial. Depending on where you direct your money at that parent website, it might go to EA Funds, who send a lot of money at global development but has also paid a ton of salaries for people researching LLMs and AI. Or it could go to EffectiveVentures, which might have spent your money buying a castle. For reasons.
If you support mosquito nets, you can give to the mosquito net charity directly, cut out the overhead. Doctors Without Borders / Médecins Sans Frontières does good global development work if you don't mind giving to a huge organization that by necessity has higher overhead. Avoid the Red Cross and you should be fine.
I hope you had bamboozle insurance
Lol that money went to buy 20,000 copies of HPMOR
it's literally these guys. MacAskill, who is splashed on the front page, goes on in his book about how much more important it is to think about 10^54 future computer emulations than mere tawdry actual existing people suffering now.
So you will probably want to look inside the box and look precisely where your donations go, if the organisation you're sending your money to has a public list up.
First: our sessions and guests were mostly not controversial — despite what you may have heard
Man, you invite one Nazi to speak at your conference and suddenly you're "the guys who invited a Nazi to speak at their conference." How is that fair? :-(
The comments about the event are great over here. The initial poster talks about 8 invited racist speakers, but you could argue there were more like 10 or 12. The owners/organizers then talk about how the confrence had 60 speakers. They later say they would have backed off the "edginess" (i.e racism) by 5%.
So even by their own take, instead of having 15% racist invited speakers, they would prefer 10% invited racist speakers. We want 5 racists next time, not 8.
no, they will go from 10 racist talks to 9.5 racist talks
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