Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
I think Roko's Basilisk really sums up the Less Wrong community. They had a full panic but ultimately it takes a massive fucking ego to imagine an all-powerful AI would waste its resources simulating them in hell. The AI would rather spend its time making paperclips, it doesn't give a shit about making perfect holodeck copies of nobodies when the post hoc torture won't change any outcomes.
There is a way of seeing the world where you look at a blade of grass and see "a solar-powered self-replicating factory". I've never figured out how to explain how hard a superintelligence can hit us, to someone who does not see from that angle. It's not just the one fact.
It's almost as if basing an entire worldview upon a literal reading of metaphors in grade-school science books and whatever Carl Sagan said just after "these edibles ain't shit" is, I dunno, bad?
Yud is as if Woody Allen had grown up on a diet of Neal Stephenson novels
There is a way of seeing the world where you look at a blade of grass and see “a solar-powered self-replicating factory”.
this is just "fucking magnets, how do they work?" said different way. both are fascinated with shit that they could understand, but don't even attempt to. both even built sort of a cult
EY is just ICP for people that don't do face paint and are high on their own farts
a solar-powered self-replicating factory
Only, it isn't a factory. As the only thing it produces is copies of itself, and not products like factories do. Von Neumann machines would have been a better comparison
Starting a wall of text with a non sequitur is a bold strategy. I cannot follow his 9/11 logic at all.
Making an analogy to something more familiar, or to anything that actually happens in real life, is too pedestrian for a true visionary.
(It's just a guess on my part, but given the extent to which conspiracy theorists are all marinating in a common miasma these days, I'd expect that a 9/11 twoofer would be more likely to deny relativity for being "Jewish physics".)
He's talking like it's 2010. He really must feel like he deserves attention, and it's not likely fun for him to learn that the actual practitioners have advanced past the need for his philosophical musings. He wanted to be the foundation, but he was scaffolding, and now he's lining the floors of hamster cages.
He wanted to be the foundation, but he was scaffolding
That's a good quote, did you come up with that? I for one would be ecstatic to be the scaffolding of a research field.
That's 100% my weird late-night word choices. You can reuse it for whatever.
I agree with your sentiment, but the wording is careful. Scaffolding is inherently temporary. It only is erected in service of some further goal. I think what I wanted to get across is that Yud's philosophical world was never going to be a permanent addition to any field of science or maths, for lack of any scientific or formal content. It was always a farfetched alternative fueled by science-fiction stories and contingent on a technological path that never came to be.
Maybe an alternative metaphor is that Yud wanted to develop a new kind of solar panel by reinventing electrodynamics and started by putting his ladder against his siding and climbing up to his roof to call the aliens down to reveal their secrets. A decade later, the ladder sits fallen and moss-covered, but Yud is still up there, trapped by his ego, ranting to anybody who will listen and throwing rocks at the contractors installing solar panels on his neighbor's houses.
Scaffolding is actually useful, he's completely irrelevant to actual thought about this. However he is unfortunately influential to some silicon valley nonsense.
EY is not a scaffolding, he's an advertisement slapped on the scaffolding
We get it, we just don't agree with the assumptions made. Also love that he is now broadening the paperclips thing into more things, missing the point of the paperclips thing abstracting from the specific wording of the utility function (because like with disaster prepare people preparing for zombie invasions, the actual incident doesn't matter that much for the important things you want to test). It is quite dumb, did somebody troll him by saying 'we will just make the LLM not make paperclips bro?' and he got broken so much by this that he is replying up his own ass with this talk about alien minds.
e: depressing seeing people congratulate him for a good take. Also "could you please start a podcast".
did somebody troll him by saying ‘we will just make the LLM not make paperclips bro?’
rofl, I cannot even begin to fathom all the 2010 era LW posts where peeps were like, "we will just tell the AI to be nice to us uwu" and Yud and his ilk were like "NO DUMMY THAT WOULDNT WORK B.C. X Y Z ." Fast fwd to 2024, the best example we have of an "AI system" turns out to be the blandest, milquetoast yes-man entity due to RLHF (aka, just tell the AI to be nice bruv strat). Worst of all for the rats, no examples of goal seeking behavior or instrumental convergence. It's almost like the future they conceived on their little blogging site shares very little in common with the real world.
If I were Yud, the best way to salvage this massive L would be to say "back in the day, we could not conceive that you could create a chat bot that was good enough to fool people with its output by compressing the entire internet into what is essentially a massive interpolative database, but ultimately, these systems have very little do with the sort of agentic intelligence that we foresee."
But this fucking paragraph:
(If a googol monkeys are all generating using English letter-triplet probabilities in a Markov chain, their probability of generating Shakespeare is vastly higher but still effectively zero. Remember this Markov Monkey Fallacy anytime somebody talks about how LLMs are being trained on human text and therefore are much more likely up with human values; an improbable outcome can be rendered “much more likely” while still being not likely enough.)
ah, the sweet, sweet aroma of absolute copium. Don't believe your eyes and ears people, LLMs have everything to do with AGI and there is a smol bean demon inside the LLMs that is catastrophically misaligned with human values that will soon explode into the super intelligent lizard god the prophets have warned about.