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No one should have to “grow a thicker skin”: Valorant studio commit to harsh penalties for harassment (www.rockpapershotgun.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 5 months ago (27 children)

I'm all for banning toxic players and cheaters, but the fact that they make you install a rootkit on your system to enable this is too much.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's so interesting that there are comments about how people can mute/block people if they get harassed, but nothing about the people doing the actual unhinged harassment. It seems personal responsibility only should be for the victims of harassment...

On the topic itself, I actually know someone who works at Riot that is working on their "player management" tools, and the amount of data they have driving these is fascinating. The datasets they have are global, and aside from Vanguard, apparently there are certain toxicity trends that are so niche (in the Chinese servers, for example), you have to tune for the other server data sets for it (they weren't really clear on how this works).

I really wish I could see what the backend of this tech is like, very few games have 10+ years of player and esports data to train their LLM/AI models.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

“People are too sensitive today” types are deliberately missing the point. Online is pretty much the only place where you can get away with spouting slurs or psycho shit. You wouldn’t do it in public or get away with most of it in public.

More to the point it's just tiring having these types come into a lobby. They generally don’t (or can’t) play properly or fuck around until someone calls them out. They then start on that person or spamming the N word.

More often than not it feels like they try to frame it as “oh ho, people can’t handle my casual use of slurs, snowflakes”. When more likely is if you’re talking and behaving like that generally it means you’re obnoxious and disruptive to the game.

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[+] [email protected] -33 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Can people mute and block other players in the game? If so, just use the tools you have.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can people play a game with out spewing hateful garbage?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The problem is you know you have to mute them/ block them after they say/ do something bad to you. When you block them it may stop them from doing that to you but it doesn't stop them from doing it to others on the game. Making it a bad experience for others.

Mute/personal blocks do not fix the root problem which is the toxic players being toxic in the game.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ideally, enough mutes/blocks and that person would get a manual review.

I don't like automated bans because they often have false positives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I 100% agree with enough mutes/blocks leading to a manual thing.

Automated bans are not great but they have a time and place. Theoretically they are getting better.

My point is something should be done about these things. I don't have the answers, but something needs to be done.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Automated bans just lead to harassment and false positives. There should only be manual review on human-operated accounts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I didn't say automated bands based on reports. Yeah those lead to harassment and abuse. Obviously not a good case for automation.

But injecting code into the game with a 3rd party client could be automated if detected. That's what i meant by automated bans.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago

Then just block everyone before they do something bad to you. Problem solved.

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[+] [email protected] -27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People are too sensitive nowadays, but some people also take things too far with their insults

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Did you even listen to what was said? Insults are one thing but alluding to rape and then saying it's not rape if the rapist enjoys it. Is on a whole different level of depravity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I didn't listen to the clip, no

But yeah, that person needs serious help if that's what they said

[+] [email protected] -6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Did you even read what they wrote? "Some people go too far with their insults." What you described is literally going too far.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What was said wasn't an insult. "Your momma...." are jokes, "you suck do bad..." are insults. Tbagging a dead body is an insult.

Implying you are going to rape someone and then saying it's not rape because you would enjoy it isn't a typical "insult".

So yeah i read what they said. It just didn't really apply to the situation.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It may not be a typical insult, but it is still insulting. And if someone says that as an insult, that is going too far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

No it is not. “I’m going to kick you” isn’t an insult, it’s a threat. Someone could try to make the case that it’s a “joke” but it isn’t an insult.

[+] [email protected] -17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

In this video, you hear her say she's not going to mute him for the content. She has the tools to solve the problem. But she chose not to use them.

EDIT Also she deleted the full clip and video from her Twitch. Nothing funny going on here.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Her saying she isn't going to mute him doesn't give him the go ahead to say the things he did.

Could this be a publicity stunt? Sure. Does any of this make what he said ok? No

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't solve the problem.

“When you to tell someone to ‘just mute comms’ to avoid harassment, you are essentially putting the harassed person in a position to not communicate,” said Donlon. “To compromise how they want to play the game to accommodate you.”

“Competitive games need to have room for banter. We believe this, and I do understand the fear that we will sanitise gaming by ‘over-addressing’ these issues,” Donlon continued. “We have no interest in doing that. But we do believe that a person should not have to be in a position to ‘grow a thicker skin’ or whatever other unhelpful suggestions have been thrown out there just to avoid threats of violence or literal hate-speech.”

It seems all you are trying to accomplish in this thread is to let assholes continue to ruin the experience for others by forcing the victims into silence. No, ban the assholes instead. Easy solution.

[+] [email protected] -15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

People have the tools to solve the problem, use them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

The "tool" you want people to use is the equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and going "la la la la la la la". Which, you know, is pretty widely recognized as a shitty tool.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I think a lot of people on hearing this sort of thing once or twice will shut off the game and never play again. To me it seems like a similar kind of situation to a website like a Lemmy instance that removes all the csam spam that gets posted, but not fast enough that most people never see it. In that situation you can't tell users "just report and block", there is still a big problem and there is no one that can take responsibility for it other than the people operating the service.

I played thousands of games of Dota 2, and in that time I heard a woman speak probably like 5 times total, which honestly is very understandable on their part, but still unfortunate. Would be nice to play online games that are not de-facto filtering out everyone who isn't willing to tolerate being periodically subjected to verbal abuse, especially when it's extreme forms of verbal abuse.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just hit the mute button like it's not hard. I've pressed the mute button a few times it's really not a big deal. You hit mute then hit report. After a few people do that they get banned.

Would be nice to play online games that are not de-facto filtering out everyone who isn't willing to tolerate being periodically subjected to verbal abuse, especially when it's extreme forms of verbal abuse.

True snowflake stuff. You don't live in a perfect fking utopia. Occasionally someone will make fun of you lmfao.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't really address what I'm talking about. I can personally handle people saying mean things to me (though can't say anyone in an online game ever threatened to rape me), but what I have a problem with is people I might like to interact with being driven out and the space becoming increasingly concentrated with people I don't like very much.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The article has literally zero info about what they are actually going to do. It's just people going "this is bad and these people are the worst, we do not want them here".

Ok? So what are you gonna do about it?

All it does is mention that "tech that can be a game-changer sometimes takes a long time" and I'm guessing that's referring to Riot's plans to use AI to mass-surveill all voice chats to detect harassment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I will say their report software is very good and usually gets results within half an hour.

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