Or you could use something stable
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Arch is pretty stable and often more usable than something based on Debian from my experience fedoras better but has so many more bugs compared to arch. I chose arch because everything was broken on Debian and fedora based stuff. Leave me alone with your philosophy about "out dates software is stable software".
Not everyone uses a ten year old system and bugs in graphical software that exist when the new version of Debian drops exists for pretty much the whole releases lifecycle from my experience and that's painful.
Debian is literally one of the most stable systems out there. It only pails in comparison to RHEL and RHEL like systems but the stability difference isn't huge. Arch on the other hand you get updates daily and they create breaking changes.
I'm not talking about stability I'm talking about it actually working on modern hardware without receiving updates that break things or a lack of support at all. Trust me, I've tried on multiple devices and it was painful. I'm never gonna recommend Debian for anyone who wants to use it on a desktop period.
Also Nvidia drivers broke on Debian she couldn't watch anything off the movie server until I rolled back the driver, a fix I've never had to do on my primary computer. A much newer version on my arch install and I didn't have to worry about back ported patches bricking software.
I don't care what you guys think just stop trying to convince people that the choices they make are wrong. Everyone has different use cases and different requirements.
"stable" just means deal with different issues that are often more confusing, annoying, and don't exist anywhere ese like outdated libraries that don't work with concurrent git projects.
Trying to get any non free software working in an intuitive manor when the internet doesn't even work out of the box and your looking at a 4 year old version of gnome for one of your first forays outside of Ubuntu. I'm sure that recommendation works out real nice for newcomers. So fucking annoying to take advice like that and barely manage to install it just for it to be a mess of expired ssl certificates and apt to not work when you finally managed to connect it to the Internet.
I downloaded it from the website how hard can it be to make it work out of the box. Give me a raw arch install anyday. At least I know what's even happening. Or at least give me something that works out of the box like fedora tries to do.
I'm sorry for any Debian fans I offended. It's great for a server but you gotta know something about the weird stuff Debian does to even understand how to coexist with it. Ubuntu became popular for a reason and it's annoying that it solves so many of Debian shortcomings but thems the breaks.
I don't like Ubuntu but Debian alright in my book it's a community thing and Debian users have their own language I can't speak. Most my computers just didn't run Debian, too new and buggy because of it.
I guess what I'm getting at is stable is great. But it doesn't run on half of my shit and things that are simple in other distros are (at least for me) unintuitive and not very well documented on the Debian wiki.
It would make it easier if it didn't take five minutes to load every page and sometimes fail to load at all. I'm fond of doing my own research but Debian's wiki is super slow.
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I Syu every other day and I literally cannot remember the last time I had to fix anything in my Arch setup (outside of initial setup)
But you get updates frequently. You could have a system that you can setup automatic updates that happen infrequently
Right. I update frequently and have no issues.
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I'm installing Debian next time. Arch is OK but it breaks too often and keeping everything working in an Arch installation is a full time job. Void Linux is like Arch but more stable. Voids weakness is that some of the underlying libraries are different (something about multilib and glibc I think) and there are certain Linux programs that can never run in void and you can't get them. Monodevelop and virtual box for example. I might have to switch to something else soon just because I need this stuff. (yes I know about qemu and bochs, yes I know about compiling basic c# programs via the command line, and all of that is unsuitable for my use case). Void seems to be a great choice as long as you don't need to use Monodevelop or virtualbox though. It's great at gaming once you switch to x11.
There's a good chance Debian will have a harder time playing steam games due to older mesa drivers or something but it might be a necessary tradeoff.
Edit: also, WTF is the font situation in Void Linux? Half my webpages are have some shitty font front the 90s instead of whatever the normal font is and most of my pdfs look weird and can't be printed because of it. I have just about every single thing in Void repository with the word "font" installed yet I still have to get out my Ubuntu laptop every time I want to print a pdf.
I use Debian Stable as my daily driver. No issues with steam. No issues with old packages, everything just works and is, I'm not sure why I'm shocked at this, kinda stable.
I've had a Debian server in my basement for 4 or 5 years. I've encountered a total of 2 entire issues the entire time I've had that running. One of which was actual bullshit that I'm still pissed about but the other issue I eventually fixed on my own. It has worked well enough that Debian deserves a go at being a daily driver next time I do an os reinstall.
I really really wish I could come up with a command line script way to issue a command that makes the computer reconnect to the wifi without human intervention of any kind, without so much as even a single ui password dialog, but that's not a distro specific thing. I use iwctl right now, it seems to be the most reliable and I've tried them all.
This isn't actually true. They offer both glibc and musl these days. Glibc is the normal one most Linux distros use. Musl doesn't work with some things, but is still desirable to some people for various reasons. Flatpak could be used to work around this, as it should pull in whatever libc that the program needs. Distrobox would also work. Though again this only applies of using the musl libc version.
Another potential sore point is not using systemd init. There are some things dependant on systemd, though generally there are packages which act as a replacement for whatever systemd functionality is needed.
I still have no idea what's wrong with Voids fonts though. You are on your own there!
I use arch as a daily driver. Very seldom have any issues, and any issues I do have are from the software. I.e. mesa breaking vaapi, grub breaking boot, etc.
Use stagnant software if you can't spare 5 minutes once in a while rolling back problematic packages.
Quickly having a working system vs. Quick debugging if something inevitably doesn't work.
What about just using archinstall?
Doesn't work well enough for a novice. I went back to Manjaro.
Why use arch based distro if enabling AUR breaks it in no time?
That's like reaching the top of Mount Everest with oxygen and fixed ropes. You can only brag until you talk to a /real/ climber.
archinstall saves you like <15 minutes of boilerplate
You can if you break it.
Took me 5 minutes.
I mostly appreciate the pre-installed browser that takes many less steps to harden than a fresh install.
If you want a hardened browser try librewolf
Librewolf is just my go-to on any new install now. Love it ootb.
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Two days are worth the years you're gonna spend living with that system.
EndeavourOS ftw imo
In any case, I end up wasting all that saved time on the semiannual rewrite of my neovim config anyway.
Same until I started using helix, where my only config is adding another language server and setting a theme
welp, there goes my Tuesday.
I agree, also thanks neovim 0.10 making me spent half a day tracking that obscure line that was throwing errors.
What's some neovim config you always keep?
I usually keep most of the config. I just move them around to make it more comprehensive. The only time I made a huge change during a rewrite was when I learnt about treesitter textobjects.
Over the years of using Vim both professionally and for my own uses, I've learned to just install LunarVim and only add a handful of packages/overrides. Otherwise I just waste too much time tinkering and not doing the things I need to.
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Those two days aren’t really spent configuring, they’re spent learning.
First time maybe, the second time not really
Idk, install arch, then pull make files and dot files from git, wham bam, done how I like it on no time flat.
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second time doesn’t take two days, but yeah you’re right.
arch makes doing complex things easier though