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Not sure if this is the right community, but I didn't see a general one. What search engine do you use? Besides Google increasingly spying on its users, the quality of its search results seems to have gotten significantly worse over the last decade. What search engine(s) do you use?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Not perfect:
But here are some ideas.

  • reddit (tor)
  • wikipedia (tor)
  • certain niche direct sources (tor)

More ideal ideas:

  • certain specific private source (maybe tor). Not reliable but high quality.
  • large collection of raw links ( requires labor, skill. And yields imperfect results )
  • searx ( mainly to share with friends and as a fallback. it is a pretty great premade metasearch engine when selfhosted)
  • ready-to-go foss searchengine implementations. (Limited in scope, requires decent amount of "labor" and time. Requires setup phase and light maintaining. Extremely high quality results. Optionally invest money in various ways to supercharge. Perhaps recruit collaborators)

other stuff:

  • creating private collections and bookmarks
  • not using internet or using rarely or using in cautious way. Or not using www.
  • focusing on distracting self with hands-on projects.

What am i actually using at this point? (Nothing is set up currently!).

  • Sometimes i use tor 70% of the time. Sometimes i use tor 30% of the time.
  • very frequently non www .
  • duckduckgo when needed. [Often] without visiting the links
  • niche sources (2, ..)
  • reddit

*this isnt perfect! but i think overall i think i dont spend much time traveling to websites for info.

Historically:

  • searx
  • searchengine
  • dabble in scaling.

Future:

  • selfhost
  • scaling
  • further isolation
  • IRL
  • other stuff. such as creating new solutions.

There is certainly room for immediate improvement here.
Im just lazy.

I dont need the internet as much as the internet needs me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Shameless self promo: I was upset by this as well so I’m working now on a curated search engine just for anything related to webdev. It focuses on blogs and docs. No BS, just high quality sources.

https://kukei.eu

Also it’s hosted on a PC in my living room ;)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Kagi. I haven't had a failed search results in months, and when I do google can't find it either so I haven't lost anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I'm avoiding the major search engines. If I really need a search engine, I use DuckDuckGo. Most of the time, search forms of a few websites provide better results. I've bookmarked search forms of e.g. wikipedia, Wiktionary, the python docs, Arch Linux wiki, github, dict.leo.org, bug trackers of software I commonly use (such as Mozilla's bug tracker) and so on. I'm basically using Firefox's "keyword" search feature in the way DuckDuckGo's !bang syntax works.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've been using Qwant as well and it's actually really refreshing. No nonsense and I feel like I get better results than Kagi and Google and Bing.

I love it so far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

There are some times when Qwant returns bad results where I'll revert to Google. Just to find worse results...

Jokes aside, Qeant handles most queries well, even local stuff in my native language.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Presearch, Perplexity, and occasionally DDG.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I'm using Kagi. I find that it does a better job at finding "legitimate" sites rather than blogspam and content marketing. However I'm not sure I will stick with it a long time. I seems like it has mostly stalled and the team is getting distracted by making a browser, non-relevant AI (I have no problem with the few AI experiments tied to searching) and other side projects. We'll see. I really hope that they pull themselves together and focus or it might not last. But for now they seem like one of the better options available.

Bing's new "Deep Search" where it has some sort of LLM refinement iteration process has also been helpful sometimes. Probably the best AI search product I have seen, but definitely doesn't replace most searches for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I used DuckDuckGo a couple of years ago, but they added their own blacklist of sites (pretty stupid), and for my language it started returning crappy generated spam sites instead of relevant results. They shouted at the top of their lungs that for my language they simply index the results from Yandex, but this is a lie, they are different.

StartPage gave the best results, but they introduced a captcha that I got every damn request.

I'm currently using SearXNG, which collects results from Google. And these are damn normal results, unlike other search engines that consider themselves the smartest and edit the results.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

A combination of SearXNG and Stract, for the most part. They're definitely not perfect (yet), but they mostly get the job done! And I think they both have a lot of cool filters and refinement settings that I haven't even taking advantage of so far.

For niche stuff it seems like a lot of hyper targeted search engines are popping up, like Sepia Search for PeerTube.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

If you mean for programming specifically, I... don't, really. At most it would be for a quick sanity check on syntax in a language I don't write often, for which Google is fine. But otherwise I rely on documentation and search features of the various language/tool-specific websites.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ecosia. These days it's better than Google.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Which isn't better than Google these days? They dropped immensly in quality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Brave

I used to use Duck Duck Go, but it's supposedly not as private as it claims to be, and my understanding is Brave is a bit better there.

I don't use the Brave browser tho, just the search engine

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Kagi.

I know, I know... I just really like it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Really? I tried the trial and didn't find it that much better than DDG... Specially not $10 a month for life better

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I personally find it much better than DDG, and only a slight improvement over Brave. DDG's reliance on Bing leaves me !banging my way out almost half the time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Maybe I should check it out again

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I found it slightly better. I also find the entire user experience appealing, so that adds some points. I use web search dozens of times a day for work, so it's worth it for me.

I probably would go back to 100% DDG if I stop working in tech.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Since you mentioned not knowing if this is the right community. For any question where you dont know where it goes [email protected] usually catches everything. Theres also some other question coms at [email protected] and [email protected] but theyre more specific. I can leave this one here though, its fine (especially since theres a bunch of info here now)

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