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Telegram Reportedly "Ready to Fight Piracy" According to Govt. Official * TorrentFreak (torrentfreak.com)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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At various times, most social media platforms have received criticism for alleged failure to prevent distribution of copyright-infringing content. Few, however, have been threatened with widespread blocking more often than Telegram. In a row that seemed ready to boil over last year, Telegram was given an ultimatum by the Malaysian government; come to the negotiating table or face the consequences. A Malaysian minister now says that Telegram is ready to fight piracy.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So far, this isn't much of anything.

Telegram already closes public channels reported for copyright violations.

Some excerpts from this post:

Compared to other platforms, we do not see the seriousness of Telegram to cooperate.

. . .

In May 2023, progress appeared to be going in the wrong direction. Telegram was reportedly refusing to cooperate with the Ministry of Communications and Digital on the basis it did not wish to participate in any form of politically-related censorship.

. . .

With no obviously public comment from Telegram on the matter, it’s hard to say how the social platform views its end of what appears to be an informal agreement.

Telegram will be acutely aware, however, that whatever it gives, others will demand too. That may ultimately limit Telegram’s response, whatever it may be, whenever it arrives – if it even arrives at all.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So, we started, or better said, finishing with the enshittification of telegram? Nice to know. Now there will be no difference with WhatsApp...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Telegram is and always has been shitty. WhatsApp is shitty too. Use Signal instead.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Telegram is shit anyway.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But good for copyrighted stuff

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Not even that, half the stuff you get there signs you into a rusbotnet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I agree, but why do you think so?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Russian software, no end to end encryption by default, a smear campaign against signal, being based in Dubai and censoring LGBT stuff, being more and more for profit (wich wouldn't be that bad when they wouldn't be obnoxious about it) and probably more.

E: seems like i offended some stans.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

You can't trust russians after what they did

[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Too bad Telegram isn't as ready to fight Nazi propaganda on their service, but they would have to start with the white supremacist symbolism their own blog was slipping into release posts.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago

but they would have to start with the white supremacist symbolism their own blog was slipping into release posts.

Can you provide a link for this? Interested in reading about it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How much responsibility would a service like Signal have, if they were to inadvertently host a private group for pirated content? I believe signal groups can have up to 1000 members, and these members can be pretty anonymous given the need to only share an ephemeral username which can not be linked to a phone number or any other identity? Can they claim plausible deniability and not do anything?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

IANAL and all the other anals, but my understanding is Signal wouldn't be liable and wouldn't have to do anything. They designed their service so they can't know the content of the messages, so if a third party Maloyse (see what I'm doing there?) is reporting a message between Alice and Bob that Maloyse thinks to be illegal, Signal would be within legal grounds to bring into question how did M got that message, and it can't be used as proof against Signal because there is no legal mechanism by which Signal could have acquired that message and act upon it - in fact, Signal has grounds to suspect Maloyse is crafting those messages, since neither Alice nor Bob have reported such message.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In a group chat, M wouldn't be a 3rd party.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Maloyse absolutely can:

eavesdrop above Alice's shoulder
be an evil, militarily dressed maid on ~~Bob~~ Alice's home
have remote administrative permissions on Bob's phone
("accidentally") get a full-workspace snapshot of Charlie's desktop while he has the group open in Signal Desktop
Sneak around and check the phone while Alice and Donny are having sex
Hit Charlie with a $5 wrench

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

This is the correct answer. Both Alice and Bob approve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

What if that happens on Session? Can the nodes operators be sued even though they have no access to the content?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago

These fucks just can't stop spoiling everything for people

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