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Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post, there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

good to see that LessWrong is about improving human rationality to decrease the existential risk of superintelligent AI, and not long screeds on current political issues from a reactionary perspective

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)

OK this is low-hanging fruit but ChatGPT-4o (4o? what even is branding?) was demoed with a feminine voice, So HN discussed it. And a couple extremely horny users can't stop talking about robot girlfriend sex and the end of relationships

the western world is already experiencing a huge decline in womens sexual appetites -- AI will effectively make women completely uninterested in men

An AI girlfriend that isn't going to bring up the last three time you fought because you forget her birthday/called her fat/hit on her friends? are you sure you understand the target market?

I guess I can never understand the perspective of someone that just needs a girl voice to speak to them. Without a body there is nothing to fulfill me.

And after that you have a robot that listens to you, do your chores and have sex with you, at that point she is "real".

If you want to solve procreation them you can do that without humans having sex with humans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

this is an absolutely accursed post, well done

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It got submitted to lobste.rs too and there are some insane takes there too

https://lobste.rs/s/ph5o0a/openai_gpt_4o

this model has lower latency, and they’ve priced it at half of the previous model’s price, despite it having comparable or better performance. If this is not a dumping price,[...]

Yeah it's totes more efficient, it's not like Altman/MSFT are desperate to goose subscriber numbers

I’ve seen first-hand how it helps non-programmers write programs to solve their problems (with “bad” code, but bad code is still empowering people), and I think that’s important given that software has been eating the world.

Couldn’t the thousands of people now free from mundane work, work together now on solving climate issues or issues that require physical human labor?

if LLMs/AI can run byrocracies (and whole countries) more efficiently, there are potential energy savings there too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

fml i thought these were the smarter techies

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

For those wondering about the LessOnline event, here's the actual plan

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

"Whiteboards, whiteboards everywhere, yet not a thought to think!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"cozy/spaciousness"

The Danes do not have a term for this, but if they did, it might be* hyggelig dimensioner*. A good name for an oversized couch at Ikea. Also, the Danes would not include "whiteboards everywhere" as part of cozy, warm, intellectual conversation, but hey.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

You need the whiteboards to schedule the orgies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My man spent 10 paragraphs failing to describe the intended vibe of the event he's organizing. This is what happens when you only read tweets and substacks, you completely lose the ability to describe the immaterial.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

a dance concert led by the Fooming Shoggoths, with many songs that didn't make it onto their April 1st album

dunno about you, but that absolutely informs me about the event in fullness

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

They are a satire of themselves. You really can read only that and perfectly imagine how insufferable the event is.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Fooming Shoggoths

On April 1st 2024, the LessWrong team released an album using the then-most-recent AI music generation

No, nope, nononono, nope right off, no, nope.

If the moon gets mad at us that's why

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

this one doesn’t deserve a freeasm thread, but the latest bad nix take just dropped, and a bunch of the folks I follow on mastodon just outed themselves by agreeing with a post that’s best summarized as:

I am an American living in the United States. I have in the recent past been a centrist Democrat. But my opinions have been trending rightward for some time now, and it’s not impossible that I will consider voting for Republican candidates locally in the future. I would call myself a libertarian these days, although not with a big “L”.

It’s unfortunate that I have to mention my politics here, but it will become relevant.

[…]

But there is no moral difference taking money from Anduril or from Microsoft. Microsoft has had multi-billion dollar Pentagon and other agency contracts for many years now, and the things they produce are used wherever the U.S. Government wants to use them, including as tools for war and border control.

[…]

From the interactions I had, and the ones I saw in Discourse and on Matrix, it also didn't seem there was an epidemic of bigots in the Nix community.

you’ve read all of this shit before. it’s another “centrist democrat” who thinks the republicans have really good points now that they’re open fascists. you can autocomplete the rest of the post from what I’ve quoted here. there’s a bunch of paragraphs defending Jon, whose bigotry and resulting pissbaby tantrum over a temporary ban from the Nix community is legendary. there’s a bunch of bad faith shit pretending that a dependency on Microsoft (via GitHub) is just as bad as a direct sponsorship and control over the project from a company whose only purpose is to enable the more efficient killing of people.

this post wouldn’t be notable except that a bunch of apparent fuckheads I accidentally followed on mastodon (probably cause they do nix shit) started salivating over this post like hungry dogs. seriously, check this shit out:

Beyond NixOS, I learned so much about trying to get involved in politics from this post.

In a man like you, these events cause reflection, worry, and certain feelings. But to a politician, it would all be just one more day at work.

I read it twice and I showed it to my wife.

and my wife was a bald eagle and she shed a single tear and that tear’s name was George Washington

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

And the name of that George Washington? Albert Einstein!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

there’s a bunch of bad faith shit pretending that a dependency on Microsoft (via GitHub) is just as bad as (...)

Ofc it's not, but also hey mate, if you want to take up the cause of "let's move off GitHub cause Microsoft sucks" then more power to you! Microsoft does suck! Those problems are not mutually exclusive!

You can be both against bad business practices and human rights violations at the same time while recognising the latter is a much more pressing issue. Is this a hot take? Have those people never had two separate ideas in their head at the same time?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Libertarianism is the ideology of splitters (which is sort of ironic as that is what they accuse 'the woke' of being (which also gets combined with the oppression Olympics idea, ideas which are not only not compatible, but is a thing I have only see concern trolls use against things 'ow you are protesting against the Gaza genocide? But you never said anything about the Darfuris in Sudan, which is a much worse genocide, much curious, I am very intelligent') it is annoying)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

this mcdonough dude's a trip

this blog post before this

referencing how much he loves this blog post from another guy just kicked out for sealioning

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

oh Shea’s Zulip posts are a fucking trip too. it’s yet another straight up tantrum from the same kind of folks who think you shouldn’t get banned if you tell every moderator to go fuck themselves, personally, during a phone call

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

they absolutely are

loved this LWN subthread where another of these guys makes vague accusations, replies look at his actual posts and say yeah you should have been kicked out

and this one where yet another poster laments needless politicisation and the immediate responses are "oh it's you" and receipts

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Yeah milesrout made a fool of themselves on lobste.rs and got banned.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

The guys should just have been banned for writing posts that take hours to read that the mods then have to read and respond to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

And actually just a bit further, there are not far right people in tech, because there are basically no right wingers in tech, so the one who is delusional is you

ahahaha you know this whole “I don’t see any problems in the Nix community other than these woke fuckers starting drama” shit would be so much more effective if the folks saying that could stop themselves from following it up with the most obviously fash shit I’ve ever seen

also it’s kind of amazing how fast that second poster got recognized and called out. a whole bunch of way too high profile fash and neoreactionary tech weirdos tried to make nix their hill to die on (and were probably encouraged by the lack of tech media coverage of what’s going on, allowing them room to control the conversation), but they’re pretty consistently getting told to shut the fuck up by people who’ve had the audacity to read their previous posts and know exactly who they’re dealing with.

this is the kind of response that makes me optimistic that we can achieve less toxic open source communities as a new norm, one day. Lix seems to be doing it right; Aux unfortunately seems to be absolute chaos, but its heart is in the right place.

e: and of course, the new Nix governance structures getting this kind of negative, effortful response from the worst parts of the community is making me optimistic it’s going to work, in a way that the announcement and Zulip frankly haven’t yet. an outspokenly antifascist nixpkgs combined with Lix would give the fash parts of the nix community effectively nowhere left to go, especially if Nix or Aux does the remainder of the work left to make Lix the evaluator NixOS’s tooling calls into.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

there are not far right people in tech, because there are basically no right wingers in tech

There are no rws in tech because there are no rws in tech, qed

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

i wonder how long before the antiwoke fork

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

finally, an operating system worthy of all your favorite urbit services

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

lol this mcdonough guy's great

@nebucatnetzer none of that is relevant. the wedge issues mentioned in that letter are being used to gain power by cynical people who aren't interested in that.

yes it's a cynical power grab by the woke mob

and in conclusion I expect these people can greatly enjoy each other's company

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

the woke mob that is, at various points in his post, either a large group that’s taken over the Nix community, or a tiny and unimportant but loud group of marginalized folks, depending on what makes his point more efficiently at the time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

[taps the sign]

"Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak."

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