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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Well I'm not a fan of systemd to begin with...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (4 children)

How does systemd-run/run0 handle what /etc/sudoers currently does?

I'm disappointed in how little technical discussion there is in this thread.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

No fuckin thanks

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

But for why (I'm commenting this before reading) wouldn't it make more sense to home I'm the scope of systemd so it can be easier to maintain? Why have it do everything?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You can't think of it a single massive project. It's actually lots of small components.

We could argue the linux kernel is bloated too. The reality is though, provided the project is designed to be modular (as SystemD is), it actually makes sense to keep it together, to ensure there is a standard base and all the components are synchronised fully with their API's.

It also saves distro's a lot of effort.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I can understand that it makes it easier to add changes that would benefit systemd and distros in general. I read that they introduced run0 to solve long shortcomings of sudo (I'm not aware of which). That sounds logical.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

systemd is more of a set of products and software components branded under a single name rather than a single thing.
systemd itself is rather simple, as most other pieces systemd-* software, like systemd-boot, systemd-networkd and systemd-resolvd. these are usually more stable and less bloated than more popular alternatives

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why have it do everything?

Isn't the guy behind systemd a (former?) Microsoft employee? I feel as though that might offer a clue as to why the trajectory towards bloat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

He's working for Microsoft now but it's very recent, he developed systemd while working at RedHat.

I don't even know of he's still working on it. There are a lot of things to be said about systemd and Lennart but the link to Microsoft is irrelevant.

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