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When you argue for housing reform to legalize denser development in our cities, you quickly learn that some people hate density. Like, really hate density, with visceral disgust and contempt for any development pattern that involves buildings being tall or close together.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Uh. I highly support density. I think that there needs to be a lot more high-density housing.

Just not anywhere near me.

I'm currently trying to figure out how to buy a few thousand acres in north eastern Nevada so that I can have no neighbors within 10 miles or more. I want to make a trip into town once a month for supplies, and otherwise not have anything to do with the world.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I wish. It's going to take selling everything I own, and buying land that no one else wants and abuts BLM land. And then living in a shack similar to Ted Kaczynski's. If you want to buy desert scrub that's an hour from the nearest abandoned ghost town, you can get it for a couple hundred an acre or less. Meanwhile, a 1 acre lot near me that's nearly unbuildable has an asking price of a little more than $30,000.

I've lived in poor neighborhoods most of my adult live. Before moving to the south, I lived on the west side of Chicago, in the Austin neighborhood (if you know Chicago, you know that's not a nice area). Before that, I lived in Humboldt Park before that started gentrifying, and in Little Village before that. I moved to Chicago from eastern Michigan--near Detroit--where GM, Ford, and Chrysler had closed all the plants and left the area with no jobs. I've never lived in the 'nice' part of town my entire adult life. I'm middle class now, but only barely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

It’s the neighbors; the people who hate density just don’t enjoy neighbors. They don’t want to turn their music down, or have to stop doing laundry at 9pm, etc.

Edit: I guess I made it sound like I’m judging these people. I’m not. Just saying, density also means neighbors, some people would rather not deal with that. I’d certainly rather live out in the country without neighbors.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or here is another perspective for you. Maybe some of these people who hate density are quiet and respectful people, but they are TIRED of listening to other people blasting their music and doing laundry at 9pm.

I know crazy thought huh?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The “etc” is where your perspective fits. I wasn’t gonna sit here & write a dissertation for y’all. But yeah, that’s fair too.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You literally called out people who don’t like density as the root problem because they are the ones being loud.

Ya you might want to work on your writing skills.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Being exhausted with having to be considerate, which is what your perspective falls under, falls under that “etc.”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes “etc” explains everything. So helpful, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Happy to educate you ☺️

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sorry you’re not smart enough for that. What you missed was sarcasm.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Better housing design can help here. In a properly designed apartment building, you won't be able to hear people's loud music, their laundry, or much of anything else really.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Yup. I’d be nice to walk around your apartment without worrying about making a lot of noise for the downstairs neighbors, for example.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Some people just like space. That doesn't make them bad or inconsiderate people, they just like space.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Yup. That fits under the “etc” I wrote.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Some people just like space. That doesn’t make them bad or inconsiderate people, they just like space.

It does make them bad if they are placing their needs over the needs of others. If they want that space, they should move to a rural town and let cities develop as they should.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If enough people move to that rural town and it suddenly becomes a suburban city does that make them all bad people? At what population should people start building skyscrapers?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's a vast middle ground between only single family dwellings and only skyscrapers. Duplexes, fourplexes, rowhouses, small apartment buildings are all a good option, and where you'd start in your example town, if there was demand to build them. You currently can't do that in many places, even in cities, because of absurdly restrictive zoning laws.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago
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