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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What is a commerce based civilization? Isn't everything commerce based?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

imagine everything humans could accomplish if we used billionaires as food and fuel

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn't using them as food just be using them as fuel anyways? The only difference is what you're going to fuel with them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

came to say this. food is fuel, we are merely labyrinthine biological furnaces that chemically incinerates whatever unfortunate matter may enter us. the fuel's affluence is not typically relevant, but I'm a little out of touch on the science, I might be wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I kinda feel like we would have done way, way worse without commerce. We're social beings. We do better when cooperating than trying to go at it alone. Commerce is merely one of the many glues that keep us cooperating on some level. Yes, it also leads to competition; but less so than it would without it. Why kill you and take what you have that I want when I can just give you something I have that you want for it?

Capitalism, and making commerce the end all be all of civilization is what we could do without. It's a means to an end, not the goal.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Commerce is just the exchange of goods and services. If we all stop exchanging goods, in what sense would we have a civilization? What would you or anyone accomplish if you had to grow your own food, make your own clothes, build your own house...?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

An exchange of goods and services means you get nothing unless I get something. Maybe OP means everything is given as you take what you need with nothing expected in return.

You grow carrots, you bring them to town once a week. Other lady raises chickens, brings eggs once a week. If you need either you take some. You use the eggs to make cookies, you have extra, you give them away to anyone you see for the day.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

This works at a feudal technology level. Who makes the trains? They train makers need steel and literally no one would work in a forge or a mine for fun/preference.

Who makes computer chips?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

People with the skills show up and collectively make chips, there may be less than produced by typical "blood from a rock" endless growth pacing, but there would at least be enough chips for hospitals, emergency services.

And without the profit motive, the products made would actually be built to last and engineered to be serviceable because there's actually incentive for them to NOT be disposable.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A lot more than we do in this shithole

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I'm currently reading The Day The World Stops Shopping by JB Mackinnon, which argues the same point you're asking about, I think you'd find it interesting.

https://www.jbmackinnon.com/the-day-the-world-stops-shopping

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