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Shafik authorizes NYPD to sweep ‘Gaza Solidarity Encampment,’ officers in riot gear arrest over 100 (www.columbiaspectator.com)

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Sniper on the roof of the Indiana Memorial Union at Indiana University. Gun pointed down at peaceful Gaza protesters in Dunn Meadow. This is 4 hours after the arrest of 22 students and 2 professors in the meadow. Have never seen anything like this on this campus.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

USA is a fascist state.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And not a single one of the articles OP posted refer to these as anti-genocide protests.

Every media outlet who keeps framing this as students supporting Palestine or opposing Israel is burying the lede, that these students wouldn’t be supporting or opposing anything if there wasn’t a fucking genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

Lawful student protest on any @CUNY campus should not be met with NYPD arrests, including today's demonstration at @CityCollegeNY. Administration can & must ensure students' safety and prevent harassment on campus without resorting to the forcible removal of peaceful protestors

PSC CUNY - Union representing CUNY staff and faculty

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago

About three dozen pro-Palestine protesters arrested at Ohio State

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

Omar appears at pro-Palestinian protest at University of Minnesota; 9 arrested earlier

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why is this escalating so much faster than the 1989 Chinese democracy protests or the 2019 Hong Kong protests? In those cases, it took weeks for arrests to happen and months for force to be deployed. Most law enforcement in those cases were unarmed.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Because Chinese police and military exist for different reasons than US police and military

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago

Kinda wild how the system keeps legions of thugs on-call, nationwide, that can be assembled at a moment's notice to inflict legal violence on whatever the target population is

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

Students from Berklee College of Music marched into Northeastern’s campus around 7 p.m., joining NU protesters’ encampment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

This is happening under Biden. There's a reason why bluemaga isn't calling Trump a fascist anymore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Someone please post this on lemmy.world, I want to see their reaction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

They would melt.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago

The notorious land of the freedom.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 6 months ago (3 children)

But I thought fascism was only going to happen if Trump is elected? Guess it’s already here, now what do we do??

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I know!

let's not vote and get trump elected so that instead of just being arrested, these people are shipped off to a gulag.

That will fix everything!

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[+] [email protected] -56 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This isn't fascism. These people will get a slap on the wrist and be sent home in a day or two. Under fascism these people would never be heard from again.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is fascism-lite. Just because people aren't disappeared doesn't mean it's not in the same category. And the only way we can hope to stop from getting to "actual" fascism is by resisting shit like this.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree that silencing protest is bad. It's just not fascism. Fascists kill dissenters.

Treating protestors like this is the norm (though it always must be fought). It's how they were treated during Occupy Wall Street. It's how they were treated during Vietnam and the civil rights fight. Authoritarianism can come from both the left and the right. Fascism is always from the right.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Exactly.

Fascism doesn't come in detended stages, it's tiny increments where the state seizes more power and restricts rights gradually until suddenly you notice that people are disappearing and everyones primary emotion is fear

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

😝🥾

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Y'all need to hear the fable of the boy who cried wolf.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

Boot licker

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago (4 children)

So punishing free speech and protest is not fascist provided that they are "only" in jail for a couple of days? Seriously?

Obviously cracking down on protests doesn't mean it's 1930s Germany but it's part of the same playbook, surely?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It was at a private college campus and the dean suspended all the students protesting and requested to have NYPD come remove them. In other words, the property caretaker was being a dick and had them removed from the premises.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm certainly not defending the silencing of protest. It's just that all fascism is authoritarian, but not all authoritarianism is fascist. Fascism has a specific definition and it's a whole other degree of bad.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

would you be able to link to a page that helps describe fascism as you say: that relies on severity of consequence?

asking because whilst i agree that fascism is specific - and this doesn’t cover it - im not sure that degree of severity is part of the definition and that could be a dangerous precedent to set because the other parts of fascism about control and quashing dissent enable the severe consequences once they are present

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I usually go by Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism essay for a definition.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism

Suppression of protest would fall under #4 "Disagreement is Treason". Under fascism it is not enough to silence opposition. They must be treated as enemies of the state and be eradicated.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. It is being used more colloquially in this case, you're right. I retract the accusation of fascism and substitute "an unjust authoritarian crackdown on the right to freedom of speech and expression, undermining the very tenets of democratic society. A national embarrassment."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

100% agree with you then.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago

I'm a Columbia alum. Thank you op for continuing to bring this story and similar ones from all over the country to Lemmy. Hats off to The Spec for still covering the situation on campus. Shefik somehow hasn't tried shutting them down just yet.

I'm still shocked to think NYPD was actually brought into South Lawn. Even there police chief said everyone was peaceful and they were only there because the president called them in.