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What are "illegals"? I'm fairly certain 'illegal' is an adjective but you and the headline appear appear to be incorrectly using it as a countable noun.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illegal
illegal 2 of 2 noun sometimes disparaging + offensive : a person who enters or lives in a country without the documentation required for legal entry or residence
disparaging + offensive
Ooooo, OP is being a bigot? That's unfortunate. Here I was giving benefit of the doubt.
Its a little rude but these are illegal immigrants we're talking about. They dont deserve a lot of respect.
Its a little rude but these are illegal immigrants we’re talking about. They dont deserve a lot of respect.
You don't think all humans are worthy of dignity and respect?
Some would consider that terrible of you.
Not according to the left. Remember when Trump caught Covid and the left wished him death? Or when his brother died and the left cheered?
Not according to the left. Remember when Trump caught Covid and the left wished him death? Or when his brother died and the left cheered?
What relation does your mental conception of what some nebulous "the left" did-or-did-not do have to the discussion we are having here in c/conservative about whether the use of dehumanizing terms to refer to human beings is laudable?
Further, is wishing that someone you perceive as having an immense power and direct negative impact on you and your community would lose that power—even via dying—really comparable to dehumanizing an entire class of people?
Further, is wishing that someone you perceive as having an immense power and direct negative impact on you and your community would lose that power—even via dying—really comparable to dehumanizing an entire class of people?
Yes. Trump didn’t impact your life in a negative way, especially when compared to illegals.
Either everyone has value or they don’t. Don’t claim higher ground and then say everyone but Trump as it makes you look like a chump.
Yes. Trump didn’t impact your life in a negative way, especially when compared to illegals.
Since you don't know the immigration policies where I am I can't comprehend how you are able to claim that assertion.
Either everyone has value or they don’t. Don’t claim higher ground and then say everyone but Trump as it makes you look like a chump.
Again, kindly point to where I have used dehumanizing language to refer to trump here.
I don't believe I even personally wished his death when I pointed out hypothetical third parties you brought up potentially doing so was not comparable to striping a class of people of personhood through the language used to refer to them.
Since you don’t know the immigration policies where I am I can’t comprehend how you are able to claim that assertion.
I can. If you’re not a US citizen then Trump policies on immigration didn’t impact you in a negative way.
Again, kindly point to where I have used dehumanizing language to refer to trump here.
I never said you. Keep up. I said the left. I remember watching the horrible comments they make as people die.
So generally speaking the left doesn’t agree with you and illegal is shorthand for illegal immigrant or criminal in most cases.
I can. If you’re not a US citizen then Trump policies on immigration didn’t impact you in a negative way.
You don't think things US presidents do can effect other nations? Further you didn't state "immigration policies" when you said
Trump didn’t impact your life in a negative way
I would argue trump has done me more personal harm by ruining my enjoyment of Home Alone 2 than any undocumented immigrant has done me by being undocumented.
I never said you. Keep up. I said the left.
Ah, but you VERY MUCH did say "you". 👇
Either everyone has value or they don’t. Don’t claim higher ground and then say everyone but Trump as it makes you look like a chump.
Emphasis mine.
That doesn't even address what "the left" ostensibly doing something has to do with what standards someone who seemingly does not hold themself to be a member of that group should hold themself.
You don’t think things US presidents do can effect other nations? Further you didn’t state “immigration policies” when you said
Sure. That’s why we are a super power. That doesn’t make wishing death acceptable.
I would argue trump has done me more personal harm by ruining my enjoyment of Home Alone 2 than any undocumented immigrant has done me by being undocumented.
You just figured out he was in it recently ?
Ah, but you VERY MUCH did say “you”
Are you a conservative? Or are you on the left ?
That doesn’t even address what “the left” ostensibly doing something has to do with what standards someone who seemingly does not hold themself to be a member of that group should hold themself.
It rhymed. Anyways, what group are you part of?
That doesn’t make wishing death acceptable.
Some would argue it makes it more acceptable, prayers to Santa Muerte being the only way they have of effecting a person they can't vote out who has power over their life.
You just figured out he was in it recently ?
What makes you think the harm is recent?
Are you a conservative? Or are you on the left ?
Are you asking me to engage in identity politics? 🤨
Are you asking me to engage in identity politic
Not at all but you use the language of the left and the logic of the left.
Not at all but you use the language of the left and the logic of the left.
English? Puedo cambiar a un idioma diferente si lo deseas.
Або ваша проблема в тому, що я використовував латинський алфавіт?
如果你想让我们更“右”一点，我可以尝试一下普通话。
Words like no humans are illegal and all people matter except the ones like Trump.
It’s an illogical shit show.
Words like no humans are illegal and all people matter except the ones like Trump.
I don't think I said those words. I asked someone if they disagreed all people were worthy of dignity and respect (they seemed to) and explained why some might find wishing for the death of someone who has power over them acceptable.
"No person is illegal." is a quote from ChokingHazard63, not from me.
I would question on what you base the antithesis you are seemingly arguing that people (and not actions) can be illegal.
I’m fine with the term illegal and I belief all people have value. I’m not a lefty who only thinks some people have value.
I’m fine with the term illegal and I belief all people have value. I’m not a lefty who only thinks some people have value.
I didn't ask you that. I asked you (since you seem to agree to speak English) how you squared an adjective being used as a noun.
I further ask why you keep bringing up "lefties" (are they in the room with you right now?) and if you really believe the dehumanizing language you're defending embodies "Being excellent to eachother" as the sidebar of this place purports its ethos to be.
Do undocumented persons not have value?
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Criminals deserve basic human rights too or all anything a tyrannical government has to do is define you as "illegal" and they can carry you off never to be seen again. With those rights ought to come at least the minimal respect a human life deserves.
Theres a hell of a difference between rude namecalling and not respecting basic human rights.
In your rush to win the most outraged contest you missed the word sometimes.
you missed the word sometimes.
Can you explain how referring to a human being as "an illegal" can ever not be derogatory? 🤔
Easy it is a label to describe immigration status, like citizen, permanent resident, temporary nonimigrant workers (migrant),...
Immigrating into a country illegally means that person is guess what an illegal immigrant or illegal for short. Your negative views of the word illegal don't change their status.
Easy it is a label to describe immigration status
It isn't being used that way (to describe a status). It is being used to describe a person as "illegal".
A person being documented or not by a group which claims political authority over a geographic area does not make that person illegal.
It's no different than calling a person a citizen. Your inability to understand the definition of illegal does not change its definition.
It’s no different than calling a person a citizen.
A citizen is a thing a person can be. It's also a noun.
"Illegal" is not a thing a person can be.
Actions can be against laws but humans cannot.
Illegal is short for illegal immigrant, many people are illegal immigrants.
Undocumented people may immigrate in a way some people do not consider to be "legal" but they themselves are not illegal therefore "illegals" is a nonsense term.
My truck is blue, I call it blue. Is blue a nonsense term?
My truck is blue, I call it blue. Is blue a nonsense term?
Using an adjective as an adjective is a nonsense argument for asserting "using an adjective as a noun to refer to people is not dehumanizing".
No, I call it blue. As in "Lets take blue to the hardware store"
Nobody's trying to say they aren't illegal immigrants. But using derogatory terms is unnecessary and won't bring a lot of people to your side.
Illegals is just shortened illegal immigrant, just like temporary nonimigrant workers are called migrants. The negative connotation is yours.
Illegals is just shortened illegal immigrant, just like temporary nonimigrant workers are called migrants.
They are migrants because they migrate. They aren't "illegals" because irrespective of the status of their presence according to those that claim dominion of the land they are on they are not themselves illegal.
They are illegal immigrants or illegal for short per the definition you were given but appear unable to comprehend.
But they aren't illegal_s_ as that renders the phrase a reference to the people themselves and not their actions.
To refer to people as illegal is dehumanizing.
Just because you look down on a group of people doesn't make the term to describe them dehumanizing.
Just because you can't differenciate between a term for immigration status and the people with that status doesn't change what the term means.
Just because you look down on a group of people doesn’t make the term to describe them dehumanizing.
Doesn't make it not dehumanizing—since it is—and it certainly doesn't help your arguments it isn't.
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I don’t look down on the group. I look down on their actions. I don’t like criminal behavior.
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They are in fact illegal.
Humans can't be illegal.
Only actions humans take can be illegal.
Thats really getting into pedantics, and its just name calling. I swear, yall cared more about the term illegals than the lawsuit
Thats really getting into pedantics, and its just name calling.
I question if that view of yours extends to all slurs.
It doesnt. I remove any uses of the n-word and r-word on sight.
It doesnt. I remove any uses of the n-word and r-word on sight.
Would you mind explaining your logic for differentiating those names people call people from these ones?
What issues do you take with the alluded to slurs you don't find applicable to this one?
Well, those two have much stronger connatations than "illegal"
"Fuck" is worse than "damn" for an example.
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No person is illegal. Regardless what their immigration status might be.
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