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I'm curious how software can be created and evolve over time. I'm afraid that at some point, we'll realize there are issues with the software we're using that can only be remedied by massive changes or a complete rewrite.

Are there any instances of this happening? Where something is designed with a flaw that doesn't get realized until much later, necessitating scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

Alsa > Pulseaudio > Pipewire

About 20 xdg-open alternatives (which is, btw, just a wrapper around gnome-open, exo-open, etc.)

My session scripts after a deep dive. Seriously, startxfce4 has workarounds from the 80ies and software rot affected formatting already.

Turnstile instead elogind (which is bound to systemd releases)

mingetty, because who uses a modem nowadays?

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 8 months ago (6 children)

there are issues with the software we’re using that can only be remedied by massive changes or a complete rewrite.

I think this was the main reason for the Wayland project. So many issues with Xorg that it made more sense to start over, instead of trying to fix it in Xorg.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Be careful what you wish for. I’ve been part of some rewrites that turned out worse than the original in every way. Not even code quality was improved.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (12 children)

GUI toolkits like Qt and Gtk. I can't tell you how to do it better, but something is definitely wrong with the standard class hierarchy framework model these things adhere to. Someday someone will figure out a better way to write GUIs (or maybe that already exists and I'm unaware) and that new approach will take over eventually, and all the GUI toolkits will have to be scrapped or rewritten completely.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

There's already a lot of people rewriting stuff in Rust and Zig.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Maybe not exaclly Linux, sorry for that, but it was first thing that get to my mind.
Web browsers really should be rewritten, be more modular and easier to modify. Web was supposed to be bulletproof and work even if some features are not present, but all websites are now based on assumptions all browsers have 99% of Chromium features implemented and won't work in any browser written from scratch now.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The same guys who create Chrome have stuffed the web standards with needlessly bloated fluff that makes it nearly impossible for anyone else to implement it. If alternative browsers have to be a thing again, we need a new standard, or at least the current standard with significantly large portions removed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

we need to just rebuild the web, built on a decentralized LoRa or such mesh network.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Systemd. Nuke it from fucking orbit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Everyone hates on it. Here I am; a simply Silverblue user and it seems fine to me. What is the issue actually?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

lol that someone already said Wayland.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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