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California bullet train project needs another $100 billion to complete route from San Francisco to Los Angeles (www.kcra.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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To put this into perspective, China's high-speed rail project in Indonesia connecting Jakarta and Bandung (a distance of 143 km) at a speed of 350 km/h was completed in just four months at total cost of $7.3 billion.

This line has seen an impressive number of passengers, with approximately 2 million people utilizing the service.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

This project would have made sense if they went straight down the 101 corridor from NorCal to SoCal It would have been faster than flying and at some point, competitive price-wise. Biggest advantage would be reducing carbon and keeping cars off freeways.

But to get Federal funding, they had to angle the line inland so it hit towns where it made no financial sense to hit, but had a powerful GOP rep who wanted to bring some construction bacon to the home district. Once done, it will take longer to travel, will have more stops, and cost more to operate.

For a fraction of money, they could have just electrified Amtrak and at least gotten a little benefit out of reduced carbon emissions.

It's just so damned stupid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The first time you do something, you also need to learn how to do it, set up production lines, make mistakes, learn from them, and build up expertise. The US is only starting to build high-speed rail, while China has the biggest high-speed rail network in the world. I would call it a step in the right track (hehe), although one that should have been taken years ago.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

There is a first time learning curve to climb and there is a project that good chance will never complete. This is really looking like the later than the former. Don’t forget how much money already sunk in. This was back in ‘22, project started in 2008.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/29/california-high-speed-rail-bullet-train

Meanwhile we have been “figuring it out” and Mexico, you know what the US considers nothing but Cancun, cartels, beans, and needs a wall has learned, funded, built and opened first service in Dec and almost fully running today and way bigger, about 5x in track length. Total project cost around 30bil and few years to build. MX is even manufacturing the trains in Mexico.

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-maya-train-tourist-rail-yucatan-81d827ff51589fe43ed608ffb309be4a

The only good success on how to do rail, even if not bullet speeds, in the US is Brightline. They have plans to expand even further but at least is doing something today vs another 100bil and 1-2 decades.

By all metrics the CA project is a money pit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That and the land the US is trying to build through is extremely expensive like some of the most expensive land in the world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why is it expensive?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because a bunch of rich people think it's worth it I guess

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So the issue seems to be private ownership of land, not the locale

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I guess? It's really both as it is more expensive compared to mostly all privately owned land.