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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One: because fascist would ensure their place at the top of the social/political/financial pyramid.

Two: because the world's economic system lied to them. Being a morally good, hard working human guaranteed a comfortable life. In fact being morally good and/or hard working may actually be a hindrance to living a comfortable life.

Three: poor education and exploitation. Ever book that is banned or text book that says, "slavery was understandable in fact slavers are benevolent leaders saving the 'others' from themselves." and you know, being used by those that actually hold power. Donald Trump would pretend to be the next Joseph Stalin if it ment he would be protected by those willing to do violence in his name. Just the fact that governments have" heads of state" means those that want to be president, king, prime minister probably should be allowed to be leaders.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure point One is fully correct. I think they often realize things is going to be shitty for everyone, but they think it will be less shitty for them if it gets more shitty for others. They know they will be an exploited working class (even if it is not phrased that way for them) as long as there is a part of the working class (immigrant workers, women workers, ...) that is beneath them it makes them feel more 'on top'.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Ya but making everyone else's life more shitty ensures they are still "on top" in their eyes. It's the same reason most confederate men fought in the civil war even though they didn't own slaves. Ya their life sucked but at least they weren't slaves. The moment more human beings get emancipated, be that from slavery, wage slavery, women suffrage, segregation, etc that means they have more competition in the flawed economic, social, and political systems designed around capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Rudderless men with little career prospects realizing they'll never get to a comfortable lifestyle without a major change.

They can either change themselves for the better or join a movement that aims to change society and hope that it propels them upward.

Better education, empathy, and economic conditions can turn the tide, but it's a big job.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

It's the same logic as lotto players. Spend this little bit of money/effort while expecting life changing results.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

That’s literally all there is to it. Even in the olden days it was a well known fact that a generation of young men without (economic, social, romantic) perspective is a generation who will radicalize to either side. If the system isn’t working for them they will seek to change the system.

If politicians were serious about curbing extremism they would make sure everyone simply lives a decent standard of living, with prospects for their future.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Its also why I believe most modern governments try REALLY hard not to go to war. Not because of the death and destruction but because they dont want a combat trained populace.

Also because shared adversity unites, the differences between people get really unimportant when they are trying to keep each other alive in combat.

The idea of a significant percentage of "us" coming back and being united and trained well enough to actually threaten the system scares the piss out of them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago